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Uniques in Hellfire: RoE and AoG?
06-14-2004, 04:41 PM
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Uniques in Hellfire: RoE and AoG?
According to Jarulf's Guide the Ring of Engagement (RoE) should drop quite frequently in Hellfire (in Normal games once every four games from dlevel 15 as stated at 3.11.2 Probabilities in Hellfire).

Yet wasn't there discussion in the now defunct DSF where it was determined that it was impossible for the RoE to drop in Hellfire due to the introduction of new rings?

Also, I've seen on Henjo's Item Importer for Hellfire Uniques a Unique armor called the Armor of Gloom. Henjo states he found it playing Hellfire. Yet according to Jarulf's Guide (same spot) it is impossible for the Armor of Gloom to drop in any difficulty game.

My questions would be:

Can the RoE drop in either Single Player or Multiplayer (Kali) Hellfire?

and

Can the Armor of Gloom drop in either Single Player or Multiplayer Hellfire?

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06-14-2004, 06:43 PM (This post was last modified: 06-14-2004 08:26 PM by LemmingofGlory.)
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Uniques in Hellfire: RoE and AoG?
Quote:According to Jarulf's Guide the Ring of Engagement (RoE) should drop quite frequently in Hellfire (in Normal games once every four games from dlevel 15 as stated at 3.11.2 Probabilities in Hellfire).

JG is incomplete on that issue. When game scans for a unique ring to drop, it examines the following list, which indicates unique position:

Code:
Bramble - qlvl 1
Ring of Regha - qlvl 1
The Bleeder - qlvl 2
Constricting Ring - qlvl 5
Ring of Engagement - qlvl 11
Giant's Knuckle - qlvl 8
Mercurial Ring - qlvl 8
Xorine's Ring - qlvl 8
Karik's Ring - qlvl 8
Ring of Magma - qlvl 8
Ring of the Mystics - qlvl 8
Ring of Thunder - qlvl 8
Gladiator's Ring - qlvl 10

However, it reads the list backwards. The first applicable ring it finds, it drops. It does not matter what the qlvl is so long as the mlvl is high enough to drop the qlvl.

So, suppose a mlvl 11 monster drops a unique ring. What's the first eligible ring on the list? Gladiator's Ring, because it's qlvl 10. The game doesn't even look at the others. It's already found an elgibile ring. That's why RoE can't drop in MP.

In SP, the game keeps track of unique drops to avoid dropping the same unique twice. So, suppose another monster > mlvl 10 drops a unique ring. Gladiator's Ring has already dropped. What drops? Ring of Thunder. Ring of Mystics. Ring of Magma. Karik's Ring. Xorine's Ring. Mercurial Ring. Giant's Knuckle. Then RoE.

So, for best "odds" of finding RoE in HF SP, kill all mlvl 8 monsters first. (They can't drop RoE anyway, but if they drop a qlvl 8 ring it's one less ring you have to find from monsters that can drop RoE.) Then go after the higher level stuff.

Unfortunately, I can't say for certain whether RoE will morph in the next game even if you do manage to get the necessary 9 unique ring drops in one game. I know that uniques of the same base with the same qlvl will morph. (e.g. SP Infernos will morph into Diamondedges in the next new game.)

Here's the full list:

Code:
8cb00 - The Butcher's Cleaver
8cb54 - The Undead Crown
8cba8 - Empyrean Band
8cbfc - Optic Amulet
8cc50 - Ring of Truth
8cca4 - Harlequin Crest
8ccf8 - Veil of Steel
8cd4c - Arkaine's Valor
8cda0 - Griswold's Edge
8cdf4 - Bovine Plate
8ce48 - The Rift Bow
8ce9c - The Needler
8cef0 - The Celestial Bow
8cf44 - Deadly Hunter
8cf98 - Bow of the Dead
8cfec - The Blackoak Bow
8d040 - Flamedart
8d094 - Fleshstinger
8d0e8 - Windforce
8d13c - Eaglehorn
8d190 - Gonnagal's Dirk
8d1e4 - The Defender
8d238 - Gryphons Claw
8d28c - Black Razor
8d2e0 - Gibbous Moon
8d334 - Ice Shank
8d388 - The Executioner's Blade
8d3dc - The Bonesaw
8d430 - Shadowhawk
8d484 - Wizardspike
8d4d8 - Lightsabre
8d52c - The Falcon's Talon
8d580 - Inferno
8d5d4 - Doombringer
8d628 - The Grizzly
8d67c - The Grandfather
8d6d0 - The Mangler
8d724 - Sharp Beak
8d778 - BloodSlayer
8d7cc - The Celestial Axe
8d820 - Wicked Axe
8d874 - Stonecleaver
8d8c8 - Aguinara's Hatchet
8d91c - Hellslayer
8d970 - Messerschmidt's Reaver
8d9c4 - Crackrust
8da18 - Hammer of Jholm
8da6c - Civerb's Cudgel
8dac0 - The Celestial Star
8db14 - Baranar's Star
8db68 - Gnarled Root
8dbbc - The Cranium Basher
8dc10 - Schaefer's Hammer
8dc64 - Dreamflange
8dcb8 - Staff of Shadows
8dd0c - Immolator
8dd60 - Storm Spire
8ddb4 - Gleamsong
8de08 - Thundercall
8de5c - The Protector
8deb0 - Naj's Puzzler
8df04 - Mindcry
8df58 - Rod of Onan
8dfac - Helm of Sprits
8e000 - Thinking Cap
8e054 - OverLord's Helm
8e0a8 - Fool's Crest
8e0fc - Gotterdamerung
8e150 - Royal Circlet
8e1a4 - Torn Flesh of Souls
8e1f8 - The Gladiator's Bane
8e24c - The Rainbow Cloak
8e2a0 - Leather of Aut
8e2f4 - Wisdom's Wrap
8e348 - Sparking Mail
8e39c - Scavenger Carapace
8e3f0 - Nightscape
8e444 - Naj's Light Plate
8e498 - Demonspike Coat
8e4ec - The Deflector
8e540 - Split Skull Shield
8e594 - Dragon's Breach
8e5e8 - Blackoak Shield
8e63c - Holy Defender
8e690 - Stormshield
8e6e4 - Bramble
8e738 - Ring of Regha
8e78c - The Bleeder
8e7e0 - Constricting Ring
8e834 - Ring of Engagement
8e888 - Giant's Knuckle
8e8dc - Mercurial Ring
8e930 - Xorine's Ring
8e984 - Karik's Ring
8e9d8 - Ring of Magma
8ea2c - Ring of the Mystics
8ea80 - Ring of Thunder
8ead4 - Amulet of Warding
8eb28 - Gnat Sting
8eb7c - Flambeau
8ebd0 - Armor of Gloom
8ec24 - Blitzen
8ec78 - Thunderclap
8eccc - Shirotachi
8ed20 - Eater of Souls
8ed74 - Diamondedge
8edc8 - Bone Chain Armor
8ee1c - Demon Plate Armor
8ee70 - Acolyte's Amulet
8eec4 - Gladiator's Ring


Quote:Also, I've seen on Henjo's Item Importer for Hellfire Uniques a Unique armor called the Armor of Gloom. Henjo states he found it playing Hellfire. Yet according to Jarulf's Guide (same spot) it is impossible for the Armor of Gloom to drop in any difficulty game.

Well, let's consult the list.

8e498 - Demonspike Coat -- qlvl 25
8ebd0 - Armor of Gloom -- qlvl 25
8ee1c - Demon Plate Armor -- qlvl 25

If unique FPM drops, DPA drops first. In MP, DPA is the only one that drops.

In SP, AoG drops if a second unique FPM drops in the same game. Then DSC. However, because they all have the same qlvls, AoG and DSC will morph in the next new game.

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06-15-2004, 05:29 PM
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Uniques in Hellfire: RoE and AoG?
Quote:War Hammers
8dc10 - Schaefer's Hammer -- qlvl 16
8ec78 - Thunderclap -- qlvl 13

Great Swords
8d67c - The Grandfather -- qlvl 27
8eccc - Shirotachi -- qlvl 21

Amulets
8ead4 - Amulet of Warding -- qlvl 12
8ee70 - Acolyte's Amulet -- qlvl 10

Schaefer's, Grandfather, and Warding do not drop in MP HF because a unique of lower qlvl and the same base type exists on the list somewhere ahead of it.

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