01-12-2004, 12:09 AM
Hello,
"Somewhy I always thought the charge wasn't even an attack and that the actual attack follows it. Not sure where I got that, I guess I was misinformed."
Looks like you weren't so misinformed, after all. According to my findings, Drakes charge more like Glooms as like Horned Demons.
"but if the damage for secondary attack is 0, I wouldn't notice even if it hit me."
Your character would still try to block, and the attack would still interrupt casting and such.
"Despite not hitting as you say, doesn't they interupt any aaction of the target? Also look in the code that check for frame to hit, there is special code for drakes there if I recall correctly."
As far as I can see, the charge itself does not interrupt any action. However, the following melee attack (which always comes without delay, as stated in the Bible) comes fast and can interrupt actions, which makes it hard to see.
I will look in the code for the attack frame, but I doubt this is the problem here. What I can see is that both Drakes and Horned Demons do not perform attack animations upon impact, but merely call the MvP attack routine when the charge spell effect ends. Interesting to note is that the code that handles the impact, at some point calls the hit-creature routine on the charging monster, to have it make the impact sound (in other words, it says 'ouch'). Drakes have this sound. Experiments with disabling this call showed that both Drakes and Horned Demons use this piece of code (but that was clear already). The odd thing is, that very shortly after that call, right after the check for Glooms, the general MvP routine is executed, and Drakes now seem to skip that part too. If anyone wants, I can provide the full code for all this.
"charge, and they never caused me to block"
Thank you, that is exactly what I expected.
"Somewhy I always thought the charge wasn't even an attack and that the actual attack follows it. Not sure where I got that, I guess I was misinformed."
Looks like you weren't so misinformed, after all. According to my findings, Drakes charge more like Glooms as like Horned Demons.
"but if the damage for secondary attack is 0, I wouldn't notice even if it hit me."
Your character would still try to block, and the attack would still interrupt casting and such.
"Despite not hitting as you say, doesn't they interupt any aaction of the target? Also look in the code that check for frame to hit, there is special code for drakes there if I recall correctly."
As far as I can see, the charge itself does not interrupt any action. However, the following melee attack (which always comes without delay, as stated in the Bible) comes fast and can interrupt actions, which makes it hard to see.
I will look in the code for the attack frame, but I doubt this is the problem here. What I can see is that both Drakes and Horned Demons do not perform attack animations upon impact, but merely call the MvP attack routine when the charge spell effect ends. Interesting to note is that the code that handles the impact, at some point calls the hit-creature routine on the charging monster, to have it make the impact sound (in other words, it says 'ouch'). Drakes have this sound. Experiments with disabling this call showed that both Drakes and Horned Demons use this piece of code (but that was clear already). The odd thing is, that very shortly after that call, right after the check for Glooms, the general MvP routine is executed, and Drakes now seem to skip that part too. If anyone wants, I can provide the full code for all this.
"charge, and they never caused me to block"
Thank you, that is exactly what I expected.