08-12-2006, 10:33 PM
I know the 20-mans weren't designed for guilds already *past* BWL. They are however an excellent stepping stone while still not past BWL, maybe even longer if for certain classes/specs. This however does not make them "casual". You will need organization to get a balanced 20, and you will need a looting system (unless you have 20 extremely chill people willing to live with /random and bad streaks).
Quote:Casual != pug's. <snip> Telling people, sure, I can run ZG or AQ20 with you on Wednesdays and Sundays does not suddenly make you a slavering hardcore raider.Someone has to keep the list of 20+ people, someone has to keep track of the people to be waitlisted, someone has to decide who gets priority, someone has to keep track of loot priority. None of these are things that a casual player does. Sure you could do it with one "hardcore" organizer and 19 "casuals" you found in 60-man dungeons. I seriously doubt that makes up the majority of 20-man runs. Yes, the 20-mans are a lot closer to "casualable" than the 40-mans, but anything past 10-15 is catering to the hardcore (they just may not be geared out yet).
Quote:Sure, one nice thing for raiders is that they can experience the stuff that casual players get to do, too. However, casual players can play and enjoy battlegrounds quite well, so ignoring this massive bit of content while trying to claim that Blizzard has ignored casual players for 18 months is silly.To excel in PvP you need to devote "hardcore" amounts of time (ie rank 9-10+). Or you can grind the rep. But, like I said, the PvP game is orthogonal to the PvE game -- it either appeals to you on PvP merits or not, and not casual vs hardcore or not. Additionally, they haven't really done a good job making PvP fair to casuals -- so if you are casually PvPing, you're likely losing to epic'd out players or organized PvP honor farm teams.
Quote:You must play on a PvE server. The fishing extravaganza is a blast on Tichondrius. There's lots of replayability there, even if you don't like to fish. :DPvP server. 60 warrior (270 fishing at the time), got ganked once by 2-3 high 40s and still managed to win. Maybe I got lucky.