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Quote:Reduced chance to be hit by spells? Is that, a flat resist increase? Chance to mitigate single target effects?

I honestly don't get the PVP focused changes when PVP's never been a problem area. The class is dynamic and unique in a PVP setting. PVE, the lack of functionality for so many of the interesting abilities (traps, lockpicking, stuns, openers) has always been my biggest complaint.

The vanish changes... meh, really. Dots will still break it stealth, so make sure you land a sting. Mark's not a dramatically damaging effect, I've already blown my opener combo for you to be casting it on me, it's just annoying.

The "chance for poison to resist dispell" - how big a chance? If it's not much, it's worthless, and if it's significant, it's a huge knock against dispelling classes.
Agreed that the PvE aspect of the rogue was/might-still-be the problem. However, that's a problem that every class faces to a greater or lesser extent. The fact of the matter is that utility isn't really that handy in most raid situations, and pidgeon-holing is the nature of the 40 headed beast - much as we might wish it wasn't. (That could of course be different in Naxx, I don't know.) As long as rogues can maintain a competetive DPS to damage taken ratio in a raid situation I feel that the changes will have been successful.

While the change to vanish might seem trivial given that DoTs will still break stealth, it does mean that rogues will be able to vanish-cheap shot in between damage ticks which is HUGE. If you can couple that with improved sprint...ouchie. (I just had a hideous vision of a rogue sprinting out of my roots, improved kicking me then vanish-cheap shotting in between moonfire ticks. Even if I hit bear form before the stun, that's going to hurt.)

I agree that the vile poison change will turn on the percentage chance. However, even if it is small, my margin for error against skilled rogues is already incredibly small and abolish poison not cleansing could very well tip the balance.

But, like all PvP changes, the impact won't really be known until the changes go live.:)
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