25 person max raid size for expansion
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Quote:Uh, you moved the bullet points around, but most don't make any sense where you put them. You can't run ZG/AQ20 in PuGs.

Casual != pug's. Let's put it this way. When AQ20 came out, our guild blew through it in two evenings without ever doing any prep-work for it and d/e'd 90% of the loot (except for skill books, of course, and only a few of those books were real upgrades). From the outset, AQ20 was used by our guild to equip up alts and get alternative gear for players -- like pew pew gear for priests that they would not be able to get in the 40-man raids. AQ20 was not designed for raiders who had been running BWL for months. It was designed for players coming in with blues and a few small epics who wanted to do a little more than the standard 5- and 10- man dungeons but who didn't have the time or energy for the massive 40-man dungeons.

And, yes, you most certainly can get in ZG and AQ20 semi-casual groups. There are groups going on on Tich all the time that are small groups of friends who band together to run ZG or AQ20 once or twice a week and sometimes invite pugs to fill out their raids. If you want to experience them, then get to know good people in various level 60 dungeons runs and let them know that you'd like to run ZG or AQ20 with them sometimes. Make a few friends and you'll get in those groups. Telling people, sure, I can run ZG or AQ20 with you on Wednesdays and Sundays does not suddenly make you a slavering hardcore raider.

Quote:The battlegrounds are just as much for hardcore as not (PvP is orthogonal to casual/hardcore in my opinion).

Sure, one nice thing for raiders is that they can experience the stuff that casual players get to do, too. However, casual players can play and enjoy battlegrounds quite well, so ignoring this massive bit of content while trying to claim that Blizzard has ignored casual players for 18 months is silly. You don't need a massive 100 person guild to PvP, and for that matter, you can compete very well with just a few friends, and despite how some people like to paint it, the epic rewards for PvP (both honor and reputation) are excellent. Heck, Blizzard even disabled the AV join-as-group function to prevent massive guilds from dominating smaller groups there.

Quote:The STV fishing event is 40 minutes of entertainment (I won it on my first try with no help).

You must play on a PvE server. The fishing extravaganza is a blast on Tichondrius. There's lots of replayability there, even if you don't like to fish. :D
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25 person max raid size for expansion - by Kevin - 08-12-2006, 05:39 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Hedon - 08-12-2006, 05:50 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Arnulf - 08-12-2006, 09:28 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Xukuth - 08-12-2006, 11:31 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Quark - 08-12-2006, 01:11 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Kevin - 08-12-2006, 02:42 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Jester - 08-12-2006, 07:05 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by MongoJerry - 08-12-2006, 08:38 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Monkey - 08-12-2006, 09:12 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Lissa - 08-12-2006, 11:17 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Xukuth - 08-13-2006, 02:07 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Lissa - 08-13-2006, 04:04 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Arnulf - 08-13-2006, 12:52 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Jester - 08-13-2006, 07:45 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Kevin - 08-13-2006, 08:22 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Mirajj - 08-14-2006, 01:30 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Thecla - 08-14-2006, 04:18 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Quark - 08-14-2006, 11:06 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-14-2006, 01:04 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by lfd - 08-14-2006, 01:48 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-14-2006, 04:24 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by lfd - 08-14-2006, 04:51 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-14-2006, 05:24 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Quark - 08-14-2006, 06:30 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Monkey - 08-14-2006, 07:00 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Lissa - 08-14-2006, 07:27 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-14-2006, 07:43 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-14-2006, 07:43 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Quark - 08-14-2006, 08:03 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-14-2006, 08:06 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Delc - 08-14-2006, 08:11 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-14-2006, 08:12 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-14-2006, 08:13 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-14-2006, 08:21 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Lissa - 08-14-2006, 09:06 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Kevin - 08-15-2006, 01:36 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Thecla - 08-15-2006, 03:49 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Quark - 08-15-2006, 04:29 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Quark - 08-15-2006, 04:42 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-15-2006, 05:29 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Lissa - 08-15-2006, 06:09 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Lissa - 08-15-2006, 06:16 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Quark - 08-15-2006, 08:25 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Lissa - 08-15-2006, 10:16 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Thecla - 08-16-2006, 12:31 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Brista - 08-16-2006, 05:36 AM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Monkey - 08-16-2006, 01:30 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Quark - 08-16-2006, 03:18 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Ashock - 08-16-2006, 06:28 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Lissa - 08-16-2006, 06:40 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Monkey - 08-16-2006, 06:44 PM
25 person max raid size for expansion - by Monkey - 08-17-2006, 02:37 AM

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