04-04-2003, 01:03 PM
> And I definitely hold great respect for Gaile, as she's
>truly a very nice person who cares about what most of
>us think; Elly I'm able to vouch for less convincingly, as
>my interactions with her have been sufficiently painless
>(except for my offsite linking issue that came up a while
>ago :P) but a bit more detached and less friendly.
>Regardless, I do like them, and this may affect my
>judgement slightly.
Bah, I used to think they were different too and some nicer than others, but it is just a matter of time it seems until you see they are all alike. To me, it just happens to be with bad experience which just makes me not like anyone of them. That is easilly solved though, I just avoid having any private contact with them :)
Do note that just because the admins might not be on your "I love you people" list, does not mean the site or forums might not have nice people.
Since I don't see how hosting a fan site can end up in a competition, I have simply stoped contribution to the competition in a way that means anyone "win" (competition is all about winning no? Why else have a competition). I simply resport to more chit-chat type of posts an more non directly game related posts.
>But I seem to recall that there was a clause in one of
>the rules concerning offsite posting that
>advertisement of "competing sites" would not be
>permitted. Again, not debating the validity of this
>commandment, just the fact that it's there. Thus, I
>only interpret the auto-blanking of the Lurker Lounge
>and Amazon Basin through use of the Hack Site list
>not to be any moral judgement on either of these
>sites, but rather an expedient method of enforcing
>said rule pertaining to site competition. Please correct
>me if this is nonsensical.
It wasn't about the posting "rules". If they simply wanted to automatically remove all links, fine, but they don't do that. You can post tons of links to almost anywere without it being removed (replaced by **** really). That is appearantly reserved for a list where they put up site they appearantly consider hack or cheat sites or have bene reported in some way (that is based on what Elly said in the thread among other things). It has thus NOTHING to do with the rules.
What started the discussion was when someone wondered what had happen to the links in a thread with information about faster run/walk info (I think that was the subject). People having posted noted the links had been to sites such as the LL forums, Tommi's page with faster run walk info and so on. People was wondering why those sites (and not many others) got that special treatement. In comes Elly and mods talking about grinding of axes, conspiracy thought, in an all defensive way calling it "ugly" and all such.
Fact is, despite the rules, there has never been any problem providing links to relevant information or in answering questions on the forum. Both mods and AND admins have in the past posted in threads with such links allread in them with no deleting of them for example. That was what people (and at least me) through was strange, that some of those links suddenly turned into ****s. Providing information or answering questions is hardly "advertising" sites and such although appearantly it is supposed to be taken that litterally.
It seems strange that still MANY threads in the statistics forum have links to all sort of places without having them deleted, despite the mod speicifcally due to the thread in question feeling the need to make a sticky threead claiming ALL links are banned and will be removed. Oh well, I don't care. It gets a bit silly when questions from people seeking advice or help has to be answered with "sorry, this site doesn't have that info and we can't tell you were to find such info", or when such posts lead to a whole discussion on how to instead use ones profile in various constrictive ways to get arround the problem and help people out.
The fact that a mod also jumps in starting to discuss creidts and such (in a not always true manner on top of that) i something I won't even comment on since it had nothing to do with the issue at all.
>Trust me, I do feel that this is an ill-informed decision
>on the part of the diabloii.net administration; if this
>summary dismissal of so many valuable sources of
>knowledge had not been in place, then I'd like to think
>that many of our most valuable posters, such as
>yourself and other pioneers into the depths of the
>game, would not have migrated to places afar, but
>rather timeshared a bit.
Sorry, I really don't understand the above or what you try to say, my english is not always the best :(
> However, I don't feel that it's
>appropriate to lodge such personal attacks against
>the owners of the diabloii.net site, nor the members
>of it, in protest to this policy, as has happened
>throughout almost the entirety of this thread.
I can't talk about anyone else but it has virtually nothing to do about any policy at all!!! It has everything to do with the attitude, acting and general behaviour (often through other means than posting in the actual forums) of the admins.
> There
>are simply better, more effective ways, to deal with
>such problems.
You mean we are not allowed to discuss something at another place (at a site that is NOT the one in question) just because you feel there are other ways to "deal" with something you have obviously no idea what it is all about and obviously don't have the whole understanding of?
>truly a very nice person who cares about what most of
>us think; Elly I'm able to vouch for less convincingly, as
>my interactions with her have been sufficiently painless
>(except for my offsite linking issue that came up a while
>ago :P) but a bit more detached and less friendly.
>Regardless, I do like them, and this may affect my
>judgement slightly.
Bah, I used to think they were different too and some nicer than others, but it is just a matter of time it seems until you see they are all alike. To me, it just happens to be with bad experience which just makes me not like anyone of them. That is easilly solved though, I just avoid having any private contact with them :)
Do note that just because the admins might not be on your "I love you people" list, does not mean the site or forums might not have nice people.
Since I don't see how hosting a fan site can end up in a competition, I have simply stoped contribution to the competition in a way that means anyone "win" (competition is all about winning no? Why else have a competition). I simply resport to more chit-chat type of posts an more non directly game related posts.
>But I seem to recall that there was a clause in one of
>the rules concerning offsite posting that
>advertisement of "competing sites" would not be
>permitted. Again, not debating the validity of this
>commandment, just the fact that it's there. Thus, I
>only interpret the auto-blanking of the Lurker Lounge
>and Amazon Basin through use of the Hack Site list
>not to be any moral judgement on either of these
>sites, but rather an expedient method of enforcing
>said rule pertaining to site competition. Please correct
>me if this is nonsensical.
It wasn't about the posting "rules". If they simply wanted to automatically remove all links, fine, but they don't do that. You can post tons of links to almost anywere without it being removed (replaced by **** really). That is appearantly reserved for a list where they put up site they appearantly consider hack or cheat sites or have bene reported in some way (that is based on what Elly said in the thread among other things). It has thus NOTHING to do with the rules.
What started the discussion was when someone wondered what had happen to the links in a thread with information about faster run/walk info (I think that was the subject). People having posted noted the links had been to sites such as the LL forums, Tommi's page with faster run walk info and so on. People was wondering why those sites (and not many others) got that special treatement. In comes Elly and mods talking about grinding of axes, conspiracy thought, in an all defensive way calling it "ugly" and all such.
Fact is, despite the rules, there has never been any problem providing links to relevant information or in answering questions on the forum. Both mods and AND admins have in the past posted in threads with such links allread in them with no deleting of them for example. That was what people (and at least me) through was strange, that some of those links suddenly turned into ****s. Providing information or answering questions is hardly "advertising" sites and such although appearantly it is supposed to be taken that litterally.
It seems strange that still MANY threads in the statistics forum have links to all sort of places without having them deleted, despite the mod speicifcally due to the thread in question feeling the need to make a sticky threead claiming ALL links are banned and will be removed. Oh well, I don't care. It gets a bit silly when questions from people seeking advice or help has to be answered with "sorry, this site doesn't have that info and we can't tell you were to find such info", or when such posts lead to a whole discussion on how to instead use ones profile in various constrictive ways to get arround the problem and help people out.
The fact that a mod also jumps in starting to discuss creidts and such (in a not always true manner on top of that) i something I won't even comment on since it had nothing to do with the issue at all.
>Trust me, I do feel that this is an ill-informed decision
>on the part of the diabloii.net administration; if this
>summary dismissal of so many valuable sources of
>knowledge had not been in place, then I'd like to think
>that many of our most valuable posters, such as
>yourself and other pioneers into the depths of the
>game, would not have migrated to places afar, but
>rather timeshared a bit.
Sorry, I really don't understand the above or what you try to say, my english is not always the best :(
> However, I don't feel that it's
>appropriate to lodge such personal attacks against
>the owners of the diabloii.net site, nor the members
>of it, in protest to this policy, as has happened
>throughout almost the entirety of this thread.
I can't talk about anyone else but it has virtually nothing to do about any policy at all!!! It has everything to do with the attitude, acting and general behaviour (often through other means than posting in the actual forums) of the admins.
> There
>are simply better, more effective ways, to deal with
>such problems.
You mean we are not allowed to discuss something at another place (at a site that is NOT the one in question) just because you feel there are other ways to "deal" with something you have obviously no idea what it is all about and obviously don't have the whole understanding of?
There are three types of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't.