Occhidiangela,Mar 21 2003, 06:47 PM Wrote:When I read the rules list that Valoren Gunsling has presented, and which I critiqued, that issue was right out there as an issue. It may have since been resolved, which your post seems to indicate, but at that point in time it appeared to be discussable, and I cannot imagine anyone considering himself legit who uses maphack. Ah Occhi, the maphack discussion... Many of people who visited pvp forum did not belong to the legit dueling communities... And it was them who started that ridiculous discussion in the first place. They are another reason why the pvp community picked up and left dii.net - so many people coming in and simply making ridiculous statements like "oh you don't allow ith because you cannot afford it!"
What got me interested in the discussion was that it was even raised as an issue. It also got me laughing that cheese and cheating were not differentiated by any number of the folks who frequent that forum. The Smite Paladin who uses a teleport ring/amulet. Not cheating, it is in the game, it is not a bug, and is a valid approach unless it is agreed between parties before the duel to not use that. In that case, of course, it is an honor violation between parties, which is of course antithetical to any duelist with any self respect, like yourself. I thought that the attempt was an interesting way to try and codify a lot of "understoods."
I was advised by any number of folks that in a tournament, the kinds that many folks there had been in, and where it was easy for them to spot folks stepping outside the bounds of the pre agreed RoE, that there are MANY understood rules for those who duel often.
Thanks for reconfirming that cheating is still seen as abhorrent to those legit duellists out there.
Pandora was one of my friends who likes a good legit duel. Not sure if she plays any more.
I think one part of the discussion was that at first people didn't know how to detect maphack, so some people might have said that since you can't detect it, why not just allow it. That might have been true, I don't remember for sure. But once people found some ways to catch users with it on, that issue got dropped and it's really a non-issue now.
It might seem like it's pvpers arguing with themselves to an outsider, but if it's over some ridiculous, like allowing auto aim hack or Ith weapons, you can bet that's it's some outsider trying to stir up trouble.
I just thought of something - what do you think of using hacks to detect cheating by moderators in team duels? For example, you will have 3 vs 3 people team duel going, and a moderator apiece to prevent cheating. Since a moderator is not actually playing the game, but simply judges, do you think he should be allowed to use PKTK (it's a tool that let's you see players items, so you can monitor if they are trying to cheat or not). I understand the no maphack at any point when playing diablo, but if you are not playing and it's the only way to really see if someone uses illegal item... What do you think!