09-19-2007, 04:50 AM
Line-cutting was the original offense (according to the CNN story). If he had stuck with a quick question, his line-cutting offense may have been ignored.
So when the line-cutter was adversarial and, worse, time-consuming at the microphone, the campus cops had had enough and started to pull him from the microphone.
When he didn't go nicely, as he should have, the cops slowly picked it up a notch. He resisted more, they pulled more, he resisted more. Then the biggest campus cop picked him up and carried him to the door.
Hard to tell at that point if he's still resisting, since he is swarmed by c.c.'s, but we can still hear him shouting with indignation. Then a scream which must be the Taser. I take this to mean they are trying to cuff him, but he was still thrashing.
Here are some of my opinions. . . (opinions are like *'s, to use Vonnegut's shorthand punctuation...)
Meyer is right to give Kerry hard questions about the 2004 election and other topics. The frustrating thing about being left is that your only choice, really, is Democrats, and often it seems like they don't really work hard enough for real change.
Meyer was wrong to "barge to the front".
The UF cops were right to ask him to step from the microphone.
The UF cops were wrong to continue pulling Meyer when Kerry said he'd answer the questions. (Although it looked to me like Meyer wasn't ever going to stop talking.)
Meyer was wrong to continue shouting and to physically resist when being pulled from the microphone.
If you've never tried to physically restrain someone who doesn't want to be restrained, don't be too quick to judge the tasing. Just one frantic person can cause a lot of damage and injury.
However, with 5 or 6 cops, including one big enough to carry Meyer without help, around Meyer; Meyer has no weapon in hand; Meyer's on the frickin' floor -- well the UF cops got some splaining to do.
Well, I was in a fraternity when-- no, no, it's not like that -- we had shower rolls, see? It'd be somebody's birthday, or someone was too obnoxious during the weekly meeting, and sometimes it was your duty to throw that someone in the shower... or sometimes it was your birthday and you resisted because dammit you weren't going to let that small group of weaklings take advantage of you (a win in this case would be dragging someone else so they got wet.... in my case I did very well by using the shower curtain to deflect water onto the weaklings so all of them got wet too HAH!)
More recently, I've had to give medicine to toddlers Who Did NOT Want It. Two adults against a toddler, it was STILL a struggle, tho nobody got hurt.
-V
Greek <strike>Liaision</strike> <strike>Liason</strike> Coordinator
The Forsaken Inn
So when the line-cutter was adversarial and, worse, time-consuming at the microphone, the campus cops had had enough and started to pull him from the microphone.
When he didn't go nicely, as he should have, the cops slowly picked it up a notch. He resisted more, they pulled more, he resisted more. Then the biggest campus cop picked him up and carried him to the door.
Hard to tell at that point if he's still resisting, since he is swarmed by c.c.'s, but we can still hear him shouting with indignation. Then a scream which must be the Taser. I take this to mean they are trying to cuff him, but he was still thrashing.
Here are some of my opinions. . . (opinions are like *'s, to use Vonnegut's shorthand punctuation...)
Meyer is right to give Kerry hard questions about the 2004 election and other topics. The frustrating thing about being left is that your only choice, really, is Democrats, and often it seems like they don't really work hard enough for real change.
Meyer was wrong to "barge to the front".
The UF cops were right to ask him to step from the microphone.
The UF cops were wrong to continue pulling Meyer when Kerry said he'd answer the questions. (Although it looked to me like Meyer wasn't ever going to stop talking.)
Meyer was wrong to continue shouting and to physically resist when being pulled from the microphone.
If you've never tried to physically restrain someone who doesn't want to be restrained, don't be too quick to judge the tasing. Just one frantic person can cause a lot of damage and injury.
However, with 5 or 6 cops, including one big enough to carry Meyer without help, around Meyer; Meyer has no weapon in hand; Meyer's on the frickin' floor -- well the UF cops got some splaining to do.
Quote:If you've never tried to physically restrain someone who doesn't want to be restrainedHuh? What have you done, who have you Held Against Their Will?
Well, I was in a fraternity when-- no, no, it's not like that -- we had shower rolls, see? It'd be somebody's birthday, or someone was too obnoxious during the weekly meeting, and sometimes it was your duty to throw that someone in the shower... or sometimes it was your birthday and you resisted because dammit you weren't going to let that small group of weaklings take advantage of you (a win in this case would be dragging someone else so they got wet.... in my case I did very well by using the shower curtain to deflect water onto the weaklings so all of them got wet too HAH!)
More recently, I've had to give medicine to toddlers Who Did NOT Want It. Two adults against a toddler, it was STILL a struggle, tho nobody got hurt.
-V
Greek <strike>Liaision</strike> <strike>Liason</strike> Coordinator
The Forsaken Inn