08-18-2006, 12:59 PM
I agree with so many things in your post, however I do enjoy raiding. We're farming MC atm, and just had our first Razergore kill ever (I wasn't there..). MC is boring, but BWL seems a bit more fun. However the 20-man instances Zul'Gurub and AQ20 are really nice, eventhough they are becoming a bit too easy. Looking forward to BC, because of all the new 5-10-25 man instances.
I do enjoy 5-man instances the most. That's where the game shines IMO. I also enjoyed doing the Dungeon Set 2 quest line with my warrior alt. (only valthalak left to do, then I have the complete heroism set).
5-man instances are where you really could try to bring back some of the old diablo feel by setting up restrictions for what you're allowed to wear, and what spells you're allowed to use. Really... just like the limitless amount of variants thought up by the old variant community, there are limitless ways you could gimp your 5-man group to make it more interesting. The only reward being beating something difficult (and a handful of Large Brilliant Shards:) By gimping your group, you might actually need to play your class the best you can, and that's one thing I constantly see people failing to do.
Recently, I've have tried a few things that I really enjoyed doing. Clearing the first groups in BRS with a Warrior and a Rogue (both in Dungeon Set 2 gear), stopping at "the first LBRS pull" with 4 orcs and 2 dogs. Really challenging.. Then we added a mage, and started clearing LBRS... Tons of fun..
One problem I constantly run into tho, is that most people wouldn't waste their time to do something challenging without possible purple rewards, or some reputation gain, or whatever. This is where Baron45 shines a bit, but even now, people aren't too interested in doing something challenging while getting AD rep.
People are just too focused on the next epic, and they're going through mindnumbing Silithus grinds to get that epic dagger ASAP, and when they finally have it, they start the next mindnumbing repgrind... In between they sign up for some mindnumbing MC-farming... I have done my fair share of it... My warrior spent the last few levels up to 60 in burning steppes farming mats for my Lionheart Helm, and at lvl60 I've spent a few hours there to farm mats for Titanic Leggings. I draw the line at Arathi Basin and WSG.. No way I'm getting exalted there, just to have the cloak and the shoulders.. no way..
So.. While I agree with you on most points, Jarulf, I also think that's there's a lot of room to make the game fun to play. Just... think Diablo...
I do enjoy 5-man instances the most. That's where the game shines IMO. I also enjoyed doing the Dungeon Set 2 quest line with my warrior alt. (only valthalak left to do, then I have the complete heroism set).
5-man instances are where you really could try to bring back some of the old diablo feel by setting up restrictions for what you're allowed to wear, and what spells you're allowed to use. Really... just like the limitless amount of variants thought up by the old variant community, there are limitless ways you could gimp your 5-man group to make it more interesting. The only reward being beating something difficult (and a handful of Large Brilliant Shards:) By gimping your group, you might actually need to play your class the best you can, and that's one thing I constantly see people failing to do.
Recently, I've have tried a few things that I really enjoyed doing. Clearing the first groups in BRS with a Warrior and a Rogue (both in Dungeon Set 2 gear), stopping at "the first LBRS pull" with 4 orcs and 2 dogs. Really challenging.. Then we added a mage, and started clearing LBRS... Tons of fun..
One problem I constantly run into tho, is that most people wouldn't waste their time to do something challenging without possible purple rewards, or some reputation gain, or whatever. This is where Baron45 shines a bit, but even now, people aren't too interested in doing something challenging while getting AD rep.
People are just too focused on the next epic, and they're going through mindnumbing Silithus grinds to get that epic dagger ASAP, and when they finally have it, they start the next mindnumbing repgrind... In between they sign up for some mindnumbing MC-farming... I have done my fair share of it... My warrior spent the last few levels up to 60 in burning steppes farming mats for my Lionheart Helm, and at lvl60 I've spent a few hours there to farm mats for Titanic Leggings. I draw the line at Arathi Basin and WSG.. No way I'm getting exalted there, just to have the cloak and the shoulders.. no way..
So.. While I agree with you on most points, Jarulf, I also think that's there's a lot of room to make the game fun to play. Just... think Diablo...