Preliminary Enchantress Guide
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PRELIMINARY 1.10 ENCHANTRESS GUIDE v.3
By MongoJerry


The 1.10 patch dramatically changed the relative strengths of many Diablo II skills, and no skill had its power increased more than the sorceress skill, Enchant. This has led many people to experiment with the skill to try to figure out how one could play an effective enchantress -- a sorceress who focuses on Enchant to power up her partymates and then jumps into the fray and either shoots or hacks monsters herself. I have been experimenting with 1.10 enchantresses a lot and even wrote up the adventures of Grizabella, the Realistic Fighter Mage during the 1.10 beta. I've also listened to the ideas and experiences of others who have tried various enchantress builds. A consensus seems to be forming regarding the viability of certain enchantress builds. It turns out that while the enchantress is a relatively weak solo character in hell, she can be one of the most powerful characters in the game in a party. This guide is designed to give players a starting point with which to build their own enchantresses.


Table of Contents

A. Undocumented Game Features Important to Enchantresses
B. Using Enchant in a Party
C. Basic Build and Equipment
D. Ranged vs Melee Enchantress
E. Fire Immunes
F. Life After Enchant
G. Mercenaries
H. "Halvsies"
I. Acknowledgements


A. Undocumented Game Features Important to Enchantresses

There are several undocumented game features and bugs that are critically important for an enchantress to know about:

1. Despite the skill description, there is no 1/3rd penalty for Enchant when used with ranged attacks. So, a multizon gets the same damage and attack rating bonus as a whirlwinding barbarian.

2. When the enchantress herself fights melee (e.g. with a sword), her enchant gets multiplied by an extra factor of her Fire Mastery. So, take Enchant's listed damage shown in the skill tab (which has already been multiplied by one factor of Fire Mastery) and then multiply by another factor of the enchantress's current Fire Mastery to find out how much fire damage a melee enchantress would deal. This is fairly easy to see, because the Lying Character Screen (LCS) actually reports the correct damage dealt by the enchantress when she melees.

3. However, when the enchantress uses ranged attacks (bows, javelins, etc.), she does not receive the extra Fire Mastery bonus. Despite what the LCS reports, she only gets the straight Enchant damage added to her attacks. So, the enchantress actually deals much less damage than the LCS reports.

4. Enchant gets carried by the explosions from explosive bolts and arrows when shot by the enchantress (and I suppose other characters as well). Explosions from arrows shot by rogue mercenaries, however, do not carry enchant. (That is, you can't arm a rogue mercenary with a Kuko and hope to get an area of effect "spell" out of it).

5. Sorceress elemental masteries affect the corresponding elemental damage delivered by equipment. So a sorceress with a level 20 Lightning Mastery, which gives a 278% bonus to lightning damage, who has a charm that does 1-20 lightning damage will actually do 4-76 lightning damage.

The above five items are believed to be intentional features by those who have cracked and examined the game code. The only bugs involved in the above items are the inaccuracy of the LCS when it comes to the enchantress's ranged damage and the outdated information on the skill tab that says that ranged attacks receive one-third the listed damage.

6. The one real bug that affects enchantresses is that Energy Shield gets affected before resistances are taken into account. This bug causes a sorceress's mana ball to drain almost instantaneously when she is struck by any type of elemental attack. This means that not only is the sorceress not protected very well by her ES, but also it means that she will have no mana with which to teleport at what may be a very critical moment in a fight. Until this bug is fixed, I recommend that enchantresses, and probably all sorceresses, not get Energy Shield.

However, even if the bug is fixed, I recommend that enchantresses do not put more than one point in energy shield and telekinesis. There has been a lot of misinformation written on message boards claiming that with the right mix of top items and lots of points invested into ES and TK that a sorceress can be practically invincible. I'll save the details which are beyond the scope of this guide, but I've run the numbers every which way and it turns out that this idea is completely false. Most of the people proposing these ideas either don't understand the game mechanics, don't understand the mathematics involved, or both.


B. Using Enchant in a Party

Although an enchantress and her mercenary can deal a modest amount of damage on their own, an enchantress really shines in a party. It's possible for her to boost her partymates with an Enchant that adds 1500 fire damage for over 15 minutes using reasonably obtainable equipment (described below). Those with "uber" gear can add even more damage. That's 1500 fire damage being added to every hit made by your party's fighter characters, mercenaries, and castable minions. In a large party, the enchantress can be responsible for tens of thousands of points of fire damage delivered by her party per second without firing a shot or swinging a weapon of her own.

Here are some tips that will make using Enchant in a party more fun and effective:

1. Although you can't Enchant players in town (the game thinks you're trying to trade with them), can can Enchant their minions. There are often breaks in the middle of the game when people hang out in town for a couple of minutes. This would be a great time to break out your best +skills items and Enchant everyone's minions. It's especially a good time to Enchant a necromancer's skeletons, because in town is one of the few times skelemancers will sit still long enough for you to enchant all the skeletons. Then, when the party gets moving again, try to be one of the first members to take the waypoint or townportal to where the party is going and wait for your partymates. That way, you can quickly hit the players with your Enchant, swap out any items you want to swap out, and get moving with your party without having to worry about Enchanting everyone's minions on the move.

2. Players and mercenaries should get a full power Enchant, but castable minions don't have to have their Enchants at full power. Players and mercenaries tend to last a long time, so it's worthwhile to swap in +skills items to give them the best Enchant possible. However, castable minions like golems, shadow masters, valkyries, skeletons, and revives often die or get recast, so you shouldn't sweat about trying to really power them up. Iron golems, shadow masters, and skeletons tend to last a reasonable amount of time, so I'm willing to weapon switch to my +skills staff to power up their Enchants, but I don't bother to swap out my helm and amulet. With revives, I don't even bother to weapon switch. I'll cast whatever Enchant I have on the go and let that be that.

3. Necromancers love it when you enchant their minions, but it can be a pain in the butt to do it. Both skeletons and revives move around so much, it's impossible to get them all. Don't stress about it though. Enchant a sizable selection of them every once in a while and let that be that. You might want to be more exacting with your Enchants before a major fight, however (e.g a fight with act bosses or the ancients).

4. Enchantresses obviously make great twinkers. You can cast Enchant on weak struggling characters in Act 1 normal and watch them take out Andariel in three hits. Best of all, low level characters will be able to do the killing themselves, so you can leave the area and let them get all of the experience points. This isn't behavior I'd like to encourage in the general bnet community, because it's cheesy, but twinking is one obvious use for an enchantress, and no enchantress guide would be complete without at least a mention of it. One thing though: If you're planning to cast a high level enchant on a low level stranger, please be courteous enough to ask them if they would like to be enchanted first. Some people actually like to play the game the way it was intended.


C. Basic Build and Equipment

For the first 65 skill points, all enchantress essentially start out the same way -- max Enchant, Warmth, and Fire Mastery (1 point each in two prerequisites), 1 point in Telekinesis, 1 point in Teleport, and 1 point in Frozen Armor. I usually put 10 points in Warmth at the start, place points in Enchant every level from 18 on until it's maxed, max Fire Mastery as quickly as possible, and then finish maxing Warmth. Different styles of enchantresses then diverge when it comes to assigning further skill points. These options will be explained later.

Besides the usual task of acquiring good resistance, damage reduction, life, and possibly blocking gear, an enchantress should focus very hard on obtaining +skills equipment, especially equipment that focuses on the fire skills tree. +Fire skills equipment boosts both Enchant and Fire Mastery, and even one extra +skill point can have a dramatic effect on the strength of one's Enchant. For example, my current hardcore ladder enchantress has an Enchant that adds 1144-1400 fire damage when she isn't wearing her +1 all skills 'Lore' circlet and 1253-1524 fire damage when she does. That's an increase of over 100 fire damage for every hit scored by all the fighters, mercenaries, and other minions in the party.

The nice thing about Enchant is that it is a "fire and forget" spell that lasts a long time. That means that it is possible to put on +skills equipment, cast Enchant on the fighter members of the party and the party's minions, and then switch to one's fighting equipment. It's up to the individual player to decide at what point equipment switching is too awkward. (For example, I switch my amulets and helm when casting Enchant on partymembers and mercenaries, but it would be too awkward for me to switch any more equipment than that. I don't bother to switch out equipment when casting Enchant on necromancer revives mid-battle).

So what are some good +skills equipment? There are the usual suspects that everyone knows about: Bul-Kathos rings, SOJ's, Mara's Kaleidoscope, 'Chains of Honor' armor, etc. However, to obtain more than a couple of the top of the line pieces of equipment in ladder games is out of the realm of most legitimate players' possibilities. So, instead, here is a list of easily obtainable items that can quickly boost the power of your Enchant:

1. The easiest and cheapest way to power up your Enchant is with a 'Leaf' staff which only requires Ral+Tir and gives you an automatic +3 to all fire skills. Use that on weapon switch for when your are enchanting your party, and you'll see a big boost to the damage you're giving your party and to the length of time your Enchantment works. Even better, you can shop the normal difficulty Act 2 magic shop and try to find a two socket staff with +Enchant bonuses on it. Even a +1 to Enchant 'Leaf' staff makes a big difference. After a lot of shopping, I finally found a two socket +3 Enchant +3 Shiver Armor staff which I made into a 'Leaf' staff. I still use it on weapon switch in hell. Obviously, the ultimate 'Leaf' staff would be a +3 Enchant +3 Fire Mastery one, but by the time Fire Mastery shows up on staves in the shops, all the staves are magic which cannot be made into runewords. I still check every white and grey staff that drops hoping to find that elusive ultimate enchantress staff. Incidentally, if you're just starting out and don't have a Ral, yet, you can get one off the Countess in normal, and normal Countess runs don't take very long if you run past the monsters in the upper levels.

2. Similarly, a Hexfire (+3 fire skills) or a good sorceress orb paired with a Sigon's shield or Visceratuant on weapon switch can give a nice boost to one's Enchant. By having +all fire skills, one boosts both Enchant and Fire Mastery. A melee sorceress can even use a the Hexfire as her weapon and boost her extra multiplicative bonus factor of Fire Mastery (the extra melee bonus factor is based on your current Fire Mastery at the time of the attack -- not your Fire Mastery when your Enchant was cast).

3. A 'Lore' helm gives +1 skills and 30% lightning resistance and only requires Ort+Sol. It's a very cheap and useful helm to use until you find something better.

4. A +fire skills amulet can be easily gambled. Obviously, it'd be nice to gamble a rare one with some other useful mods on it, but if you just get a plain blue one (+3 fire skills can only appear on blue amulets), you can use it while Enchanting your party, and then swap it out for a better amulet for when you're fighting.

5. +fire skills circlet. Like the amulet, this can be gambled, and if there are no other useful mods on it, it can be swapped with a better helm.

6. +1 Fire skills grand charms. You can find these while adventuring or trade for them in trading games. If you get desperate, you can also use the 3-perfect gem horadric cube recipe to reroll grand charms until you get one. Make sure to roll charms that have been found in Act 3 nightmare (after the Spider Forest) or later to have a chance of getting a +1 fire tree mod on it. The nice thing about rolling charms like this is that even if you don't get the charm you're looking for, you might get something else useful.

7. A 'Delirium' helm. This is more difficult to obtain than the first six items, but the runes are obtainable with some effort. This is the probably the single most powerful item an enchantress can have -- especially if she wants to adventure solo. Not only does it give +2 to all skills, but it also has an 11% chance on striking of casting a high level Confuse curse on her targets. This is a much lower chance than was available in the 1.10 beta, but the Confuse curse can be a powerful way to occupy large mobs of monsters while the enchantress herself picks the mob apart.


D. Ranged vs Melee Enchantress

Enchantresses can be divided up into three camps: ranged, melee, and a hybrid of the two. Each is built quite differently, so it's a good idea to know which kind of enchantress you're going to build from the start.


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The Ranged Enchantress

Ranged enchantresses use unique bows and crossbows that have the special property of being able to fire explosive arrows or bolts. Enchant gets carried by the explosions, so this is a way for an enchantress to have an area of effect spell. The explosive part always hits a monster and if the physical arrow hits as well, it's like the enchantress hits the target monster twice with her enchant attack. If the enchantress is using a piercing bow as well, a monster can additionally get hit by the explosions set off by striking monsters or walls behind it. The radius of the explosions is much greater than that of Fireball, so when a piercing bow is used against large monster packs, Enchant can be as powerful as a maxed out Fireball and it doesn't cost any mana during a battle to use it!

However, unlike a Fireball sorceress, a bow enchantress can't use a shield, so she has no blocking and has to get her resistances from other pieces of equipment. This makes her very fragile with all of the dangerous ranged monsters in 1.10. A hardcore ranged sorceress should be very careful and should probably always play in a party.

Stat-pointwise, a bow enchantress is easy to make. As you'll see, the ultimate weapon for a bow enchantress is a demon machine, so one should get enough strength (80) and dexterity (95) to equip one. All other points should be thrown into vitality. An enchantress has little need for mana and anyway she'll have max Warmth, so she'll have all the mana she needs with base energy.

The following unique weapons are of interest to ranged enchantresses:

1. Raven Claw (long bow) and Hellcast (heavy crossbow) are two cheap and easily obtained items that can get a ranged enchantress started. Most people think of them as "junk" and often leave them on the ground or throw them away. But in the hands of an enchantress, they can be powerful weapons that can get her through all of normal difficulty quite easily. Then, she can upgrade them using the cube recipe and use them through nightmare (However, the str and dex requirements on the upgraded Hellcast may be prohibitive).

2. The Kuko Shakaku (cedar bow) is the first dominating bow an enchantress can get, and she can probably do quite well using it even in hell. It comes with a built in 50% piercing rate and does excellent physical damage (for leeching and for dealing with fire immunes). Plus the 40-180 fire damage on the bow gets multiplied by the enchantress's fire mastery bonus.

3. The Demon Machine (chu-ko-nu) is by far the top weapon for the enchantress. It has a 66% pierce rate, adds 632 to the enchantress's attack rating (which gets further multiplied by Enchant's attack rating bonus), does more physical damage than the Kuko, and best of all, is much much faster than the Kuko. One only needs 10% increased attack speed to reach the DM's maximum fire rate of 11 frames per second. For a sorceress, one needs 65% ias to get a Kuko to fire that fast and 110% ias to get it any faster than the DM. If one wears a Razortail, one can get a 99% pierce rate and cause some massive chain explosions. Luckily, it shouldn't be difficult to trade for a DM, since amazons consider it "junk," because they can get bow speeds that are faster than DM. But sorceresses have a difficult time doing that, so the DM becomes the ultimate weapon for a ranged enchantress.

A reader asked how one should socket one's DM. The answer is that it depends on what other equipment you're wearing. You only need 10% ias to reach the DM's maximum fire rate, so that frees up a lot of equipment slots that people often use for ias. Personally, I socketed my DM with a +15% ias +16% fire resist jewel. That way, my ias is covered and I can use my other equipment for resists. Other good socketing ideas are a Nef for knockback and a Mal (if you're lucky enough to have one) for Prevent Monster Heal. It's kind of a waste to socket a DM with a Shael, since there are plenty of +15% ias jewels with other useful mods on them that one could use instead. Luckily, in 1.10, you can use the Hel + tp + item cube recipe to unsocket your DM if you later regret how you socketed yours.

4. An eclectic choice would be a Buriza-Do Kyanon (ballista) which is fast (for sorceresses), delivers cold damage, has automatic pierce, and has an ability to freeze targets. The Buriza would probably be best used by an enchantress who chooses to max out Cold Mastery and uses it on weapon switch against fire immunes. Of course, such an enchantress would then have to deal with storing items that boost her Enchant in her cube which could be awkward.


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The Melee Enchantress

Ah, the build closest to my heart. Buildwise, one should have enough dexterity to obtain max blocking, enough strength to wear the equipment one wants, and all other points thrown into vitality. (Note: In addition to the usual unique, set, and runeword shields most people talk about -- 'Rhyme' is a good cheap shield runeword. btw --, consider purchasing an Artisan's Tower Shield of Deflecting at the Act I hell shop and socketing it with 3 perfect diamonds. 64% block and +57% to all resists isn't anything to sneeze at. Alternatively, one could buy a Chromatic Tower Shield of Deflecting and socket it with a Larzuk quest reward. The problem with this idea is that you'd have to pray that he gives you two sockets instead of just one).

When choosing a weapon, speed is the most important statistic to look at, because you want to deliver your Enchant damage as often as possible. Besides the usual melee weapons that everyone knows about (Azurewrath, Lightsabre, etc.), notable melee weapons for an enchantress are:

1. Hexfire is fast, gives +3 fire skills, and has Ignores Target Defense. Actually fighting with the Hexfire (as opposed to having it on weapon switch)boosts the enchantress's Fire Mastery which increases the bonus multiplicative factor of Fire Mastery that melee enchantresses receive. The ITD is also nice, but it isn't as important as it was in previous versions of D2 when Enchant didn't provide an attack rating bonus.

2. A 'Passion' phase blade, because of its ability to allow a sorceress to Zeal and Berserk. Note that +all skills items will boost the number of Zeal attacks in an attack sequence, so one should wear at least a handful of +all skills items to take full advantage of 'Passion.' A phase blade is a good weapon with which to make a 'Passion' blade because of its fast base attack speed.

3. A 'Kingslayer' phase blade is fast, delivers lots of damage, has 33% crushing blow, has prevent monster heal, and allows an enchantress to use Vengeance against fire immunes. What's not to like?

4. A 'Beast' weapon is a hilariously fun weapon to use, although the runes are fairly rare. The enchantress equipped with a 'Beast' weapon can turn herself into a werebear, increasing her life, defense, and damage output. Plus, 'Beast' gives off a lvl 9 fanaticism aura that your party will appreciate, has a 20% chance of crushing blow, and has prevent monster heal. An enchantress who wears high defense armor, maxes a cold armor, uses a defiance merc, and turns into a werebear can get a defense rating that would make an iron barb step back and say, "Wow!" The one downside to the werebear enchantress is that she can't use any special skills in werebear form -- e.g. she can't teleport, cast static field, or cast enchant on partymembers while in werebear form.

The key to playing a melee enchantress (and what makes them different from, say, a Holy Fire paladin) is teleport. You should be teleporting a *lot* when you're playing a melee enchantress. The idea is that you're zipping in and out and from one side of a battle to the other, picking off monsters. An enchantress can't deal the raw damage that a barbarian or paladin can, but she can use her mobility to her advantage. For example (as you can read in Grizabella's adventures linked to above), in the Chaos Sanctuary, you can draw off the fire immune minions and then suddenly teleport you and your merc next to the cold immune oblivion knights in back and kill them. Repeat as necessary until all the oblivion knights are dead, and then you can pick off the minions at your leisure. The same principle applies when dealing with carver or flayer shaman or hollow ones. In a party, this can be very powerful. You pick off the critical monsters like OK's and shaman while your party cleans up the minions.


The Thrower Enchantress

Some people like a mix of ranged and melee fighting, and enchantress hybrids come in two forms. First, there are the throwing weapon enchantresses (javelins, throwing axes, etc.). These enchantresses are built like melee enchantresses in that they have max blocking, but they have an advantage over melee characters in that they have the option to use a ranged attack against particularly dangerous monsters. This kind of enchantress has the best ability to survive of all enchantress styles, but the build has a major drawback in that it generally allows the enchantress to only attack one monster at a time. Plus, it's a pain having to return to town to repair one's weapons so often.

This build could be made to work, though, if you have the right equipment. For example, if you fought with the unique winged knife, Warshrike, which has a 50% pierce mod and wore a RazorTail, then you'd have 88% pierce, allowing you to hit more than one monster at a time if the monsters are lined up. Also, Warshrike and many other throwing weapons have the "Replenishes Quantity" property on them, but in my experience, these don't replenish fast enough to avoid repair trips to town. If one has more than one set of "Replenishes Quantity" throwing items, however, then one could store the spare set of throwing weapons in one's cube and swap them out when the first set of throwing items runs low. The first set will then slowly replenish its quantity while sitting in the cube. How many spare sets of weapons you need to carry depends on the number of times you plan to throw your weapons. A thrower enchantress should consider fighting melee when possible both to conserve her supply of throwing weapons and to get the bonus multiplicative factor of Fire Mastery that occurs when she fights melee.

Another idea is to use the unique flying axe, Gimmershred, which delivers a lot of lightning and cold damage. If one uses one's spare points to power up Lightning Mastery and Cold Mastery, one could deliver a powerful punch to a monster. Sadly, Gimmershred doesn't have a pierce modifier on it.

The thrower enchantress could work well as a hardcore version of an enchantress, especially if she subsequently focuses on Static Field. She could enchant her party and provide Static Field support to her party while staying back out of the fray. The throwing weapons in this case would only be used to occupy oneself when dealing with lightning immunes.

My first hardcore ladder enchantress was a thrower enchantress, and frankly I found her frustrating to play, because I hated not being able to deliver effective killing damage myself. I felt more of a leech rather than an active contributor to my party. To each his own, however.


The Bow/Melee Enchantress Hybrid

This enchantress has a bow/crossbow with exploding arrows/bolts in one weapon slot and a melee weapon with a shield on weapon switch. The idea is that one could quickly choose which weapon is right for a given situation -- for example, one might throw on the shield when one enters an area with archers but switch to a bow to shoot at monsters across the Frozen River. This build has a lot of flexibility and could be effective if played correctly.

However, I have some concerns about this build, especially in hardcore, for the following reasons:

1. Ranged and melee characters should allocate stats differently. A melee character should have more dexterity in order to obtain max blocking while a ranged attacker doesn't need as much dexterity and should instead power up vitality.

2. Ranged and melee characters need different types of equipment. A melee character can get a lot of their resistances from their shield, allowing other pieces of equipment to perform other functions -- +life, life leech, lightning damage, etc -- while a ranged attacker has to depend on non-shield equipment to get their resistances. So, you're stuck with one of two non-ideal situations. Either a) You have max resistances on your non-shield equipment, forcing your melee character to use less than ideal equipment or B) You have lousy resistances when you're fighting with the bow.

3. I like having items on switch that power up my Enchant -- like the 'Leaf' staff. One could power up only in town (or for other characters, just outside of town, since you can't Enchant other characters in town). However, that means that you can't power up to full power castable minions (skellies, golems, valkyries, shadow masters) on the fly, you can't power up to full power characters who join your party in the middle of the game, and you can't refresh everyone's Enchant on the fly (a lower power Enchant can't override a more powerful Enchant, so you'd have to wait for the powered up Enchant to fully wear off before refreshing everyone's Enchant with a low power version). One could also store a 'Leaf' staff in one's cube for the times one wants to refresh people's Enchants. That's more practical, but it could be awkward and would make it harder to cast Enchant on the fly.

I'm not saying that this build can't work, but as a practical matter with reasonable ladder available equipment, I think it's better to choose from the beginning whether your character is going to be a ranged or melee enchantress and build her accordingly.


E. Fire Immunes

Through normal and nightmare difficulties, an enchantress is one of the more powerful characters in the game. But the moment she reaches hell, she hits a wall. Why? Fire immunes. Many enchantress enthusiasts gloss over this issue. People who have not actually played enchantresses in hell often cast this worry aside by saying that killing fire immunes isn't a big deal because you can kill them with physical damage from your weapons and with all kinds of imaginary elemental damage equipment that they think they'll have (which somehow mysteriously also gives them max resistances, life, mana, blocking, and life leech). Or they say they'll kill the fire immunes using an underpowered cold or lightning skill using the few (20-30) skill points they'll have left to work with after they've powered up their Enchant. Let me tell you from the experience of a person who wrote up the adventures of a melee enchantress in hell (see Grizabella, the Realistic Fighter Mage) for the 1.10 beta and who has played an enchantress in hell on bnet: fire immunes are a serious problem. There are a lot of fire immunes in hell and it's rare to have an area that doesn't have at least one type of fire immune monster in it. In fact, I've run into some areas that *only* had fire immune monsters. In addition, some of the scariest monsters in the game are fire immune -- moon lords, Lister's pack, the Infector's pack, and practically the entire Chaos Sanctuary.

OK, there are a lot of fire immune monsters. But can't you take them out using reasonable equipment and some patience? Yes, you can in a one player game, as demonstrated in Grizabella's adventures. However, if you're playing on bnet in multiplayer games, I'll flatly say that no, you personally won't be able to take out fire immunes in hell in any time period that will feel satisfying.

So what can you do when you're up against fire immune monsters other than step back and let the rest of the party handle them? There are a few things you can do involving the use of the spare points that you have to work with to at least let you do some damage against fire immunes. These are detailed in the next section.


F. Life after Enchant

After one has chosen whether one's enchantress will be a ranged, melee, or hybrid enchantress, one should then decide how one will deal with fire immunes and, relatedly, what skill the enchantress will focus on once she has fully powered up her Enchant. After maxing Enchant, Warmth, and Fire Mastery, one will typically only have 20-30 skill points to work with, so it would be impossible to fully power up a secondary attack spell with all of its synergies. However, those spare skill points can still be applied usefully, and here are some ideas that people have tried:

PHYSICAL DAMAGE ENCHANTRESS: This is the oddball of the group in that it depends on one's equipment rather than skill selection. The idea is that one deals with fire immunes by pumping up the amount of physical damage one deals by using enhanced damage and +damage jewels and charms and as much crushing blow equipment as one can safely use. Crushing blow items would be especially beneficial to a zealing melee enchantress. In addition to equiping oneself this way, one can then spend one's spare skill points in any of the following ways.

STATIC FIELD ENCHANTRESS: After a less than satisfying jaunt with a thrower enchantress who poured her spare points into Thunderstorm, I remade my bnet Grizabella as a bow enchantress who maxed out Static Field. The idea is that since I play hardcore over a laggy modem, it's silly to think I'd play an enchantress in anything other than a party. So, I designed the new Grizabella completely for party play. She uses a demon machine to attack non-fire immunes and Static Field to damage fire immunes. That way, Grizabella can contribute powerfully to a party even when the party is up against large groups of fire immunes. Think about how powerful this kind of enchantress would be in a large party. She could Enchant all the players and minions in the party, contribute a piercing area of effect exploding arrow fire attack, and even against packs of fire immunes, she could contribute as much as half the party's damage output by spamming Static Field. Talk about an awesome display of power!

COLD SPELL ENCHANTRESS: This enchantress style is similar to the Static Field Enchantress except that instead of investing points in the lightning tree, the points are put into the cold tree -- typically Frozen Orb, Blizzard, or Glacial Spike. The ability to slow down monsters and have a non-fire attack are big plusses. Crystalion reports that he's enjoying having a low powered glacial spike (1 point + items) as a way to support parties by freezing fire immunes for them. The downside to this build, though, is that you'll never have enough points in the cold tree to do as much damage as a dedicated cold sorceress.

The nice thing about this build compared to the Static Field Enchantress is that it has the potential for limited solo play (probably only in one-player games), since the cold attack can be used to slowly but surely kill fire immune monsters. Obviously, you'll need a tank (Act II or Act V merc) for solo play.

LIGHTNING MASTERY ENCHANTRESS: This enchantress maxes Lightning Mastery instead of cold spells and packs as many lightning damage charms, jewels, and other equipment on herself as can be safely managed. Perhaps she might even have a high lightning damage weapon on weapon switch for use against fire immunes such as Gimmershred or Skystrike. Lightning Mastery boosts the lightning damage provided by equipment, giving the enchantress an effective third damage type (fire, physical, and lightning). This build is more equipment dependent than the others in that one needs to find the equipment that gives large amounts of lightning damage while simultaneously providing resists, life, and other necessary mods. However, with a good tank mercenary, this build could potentially become the best solo style enchantress, provided the right equipment can be found.

COLD MASTERY ENCHANTRESS: Similarly, an enchantress could max out Cold Mastery and arm herself with items that deliver a lot of cold damage. A Buriza-Do Kyanon would be the obvious weapon of choice for a ranged cold mastery enchantress with its speed, cold damage, automatic pierce, and ability to freeze targets.

COLD ARMOR ENCHANTRESS: Typically a melee enchantress, a cold armor enchantress focuses on getting high defense armor and maxes out a cold armor (usually Shiver Armor) to give her the highest defense possible. A defiance mercenary will also be helpful to this type of enchantress.

THUNDERSTORM ENCHANTRESS: This enchantress places points in Thunderstorm and Lightning Mastery in order to have a non-fire secondary attack. The nice thing about Thunderstorm is that it's a "fire and forget" attack that is always running. Unfortunately, even a fully powered Thunderstorm is not as powerful as it was in 1.09, and it's unlikely that an enchantress will have the skill points available to max out both Thunderstorm and Lightning Mastery, which means that the Thunderstorm will be that much less powerful.

ENERGY SHIELD ENCHANTRESS: This enchantress places her spare points mostly in Telekinesis and perhaps some in Energy Shield itself to improve the effectiveness of her Energy Shield. Until the Energy Shield bug mentioned in section (A) gets fixed, I don't recommend this build. If the bug is fixed, then this could be an effective way to increase the damage one can absorb in battle.

TELEPORT ENCHANTRESS: A Teleport enchantress throws as many points as she can into Teleport so that with +skill items, she can get a level 24 Teleport which only costs one mana point to cast. This way, she's not afraid of any mana burn monsters and could even use the bugged Energy Shield to increase the damage she can absorb without fear of finding herself in a dangerous position without the ability to Teleport.

INFERNO ENCHANTRESS: Since Inferno shares the same synergies as Enchant (Warmth and the pseudo-synergy Fire Mastery), some have thought that an Inferno/Enchant specialist would make a good build. This obviously makes the enchantress a one-tree sorceress who will have to depend on party members to take out fire immunes. It's a nice idea, but it's generally acknowledged that Inferno is just not a good skill to use for a variety of reasons. If, however, you just plain want to make an Inferno sorceress no matter what anyone else says, then an Inferno enchantress would be a good way to go.

FIREWALL/METEOR/HYDRA ENCHANTRESS: Similar to the Inferno enchantress, an enchantress could decide that since she has already maxed Fire Mastery, she might as well power up her Firewall, Meteor, or Hydra. A melee enchantress could cast Meteors on herself as the monsters approach and then hack away at the monsters as the Meteors fall (and perhaps alternate casting Meteor and meleeing). A ranged sorceress could cast her Meteor, Firewall, or Hydra on monsters surrounding her tank mercenary. Unfortunately, this obviously makes the enchantress a one-tree sorceress who will have to depend on party members to take out fire immunes.


G. Mercenaries

Most enchantresses will want a good tank mercenary to assist them. This generally narrows the list down to Act V barbarians or Act II holy freeze, defiance, or might mercs. The original Grizabella used a holy freeze merc to good effect. However, I've begun to really like using Act V mercenaries with my melee enchantresses. They're faster, more aggressive, and tougher than Act II mercenaries, and they hit their targets twice in each attack, which is good when they're Enchanted. (Act II mercs use a "jab" attack, so they hit multiple times when they attack, too). To take full advantage of Enchant, the mercenary should be equipped with the fastest high damage weapon possible.

A melee or throwing enchantress can use her tank mercenary as a "teleport weapon" by teleporting next to her chosen target. The mercenary will attack the target immediately (no delay at all!), and often a tank mercenary can deal more damage than the enchantress herself. An enchantress and her mercenary can combine their strength to pick off a strategic target -- a shaman, oblivion knight, or hollow one, for example -- and teleport away before the target's minions turn around to attack them. A tank mercenary equipped with "freeze target" or "slows target" equipment can make this kind of attack even safer by slowing down or freezing a target. A ranged enchantress can use this type of attack as well, of course, but since she doesn't have a shield, teleporting next to dangerous monsters can be a risky proposition.

The other option I've enjoyed is using a rogue mercenary when paired with a ranged enchantress. Again, I only intend to play my ranged enchantress in a party, so I don't have to worry so much about having a tank to protect me. The biggest problem with rogue mercs is their propensity to wander around and not shoot at things. However, if you teleport into a position where monsters are in range, the rogue merc will immediately begin firing and will continue to fire until all monsters in range are dead. Thus, you don't have to wait for your mercenary to catch up and walk over to monsters to attack them. When equipped with a fast bow, the rogue mercenary can provide an effective "artillery" attack for your party.

Crystalion writes in to say he's had good success using his Act III cold merc. The idea is that he teleports near his intended target, the merc freezes the target, and he kills it. Additionally, the cold merc can be used from range to freeze potential targets as he shoots his bow. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of using a mercenary who can't take advantage of one's Enchant and I think a holy freeze mercenary could be used for crowd control just as effectively. However, Crystalion has made it work, so I present the idea to you to decide for yourself if you want to try it.


H. "Halvsies"

One fun idea to think about is the idea of an enchantress team. When a sorceress uses a melee attack, she gets an extra Fire Mastery bonus applied to the Enchant cast on her -- whether it was her own Enchant or someone else's! So one could imagine a team made up of one ranged enchantress with a full-power enchant and perhaps a maxed out static field as a party support skill and a group of melee sorceresses who max out Fire Mastery but not Enchant or Warmth. The melee fighters can get the full Fire Mastery bonus applied to their enchanted melee attacks but save an extra 42 points that they can spend in other supplemental skills. They could all max out a cold armor, Thunderstorm, and Lightning Mastery, for example. Wouldn't it be fantastic to see a team of melee sorceresses teleporting around the screen and hacking away at monster mobs? One can dream.

Another esoteric idea some have proposed is an enchantress who maxes Warmth and Fire Mastery but uses the a Demon Limb, which has charges of level 23 Enchant on it, to cast Enchant. That way, she can get all of the benefits of Enchant while saving 22 skill points to put elsewhere. It's a nice idea, but recharging the Demon Limb would get expensive if you plan to cast Enchant on more than just yourself and your mercenary. I couldn't imagine using it to cast Enchant on a necromancer army, for example.


I. Acknowledgements

I would like to thank the following people at the Amazon Basin for providing many critical pieces of information that I used to make this guide. All errors in the guide are my own, of course:

Aalardin
Adeyke
Brista
Craziel
Crystalion
Olon97
Pmak
RogueMage
Tuftears
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I would love to hear any feedback regarding the guide posted above. I would even like to hear about spelling and gramatical errors, since I would like to have the guide posted on the Lurker Lounge, Amazon Basin, and on the front page of Diabloii.net eventually. You can post your comments in this thread or private message me (if you think the nit is too small to post a message about). I would ask, however, that posts in this thread stick to the topic of the above guide. Any flamewars regarding twinking, cheese, and enchant should remain in the "What's so hot about Enchant" thread (where I can safely ignore them). Thanks in advance for your assistance!
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MongoJerry,Nov 30 2003, 08:35 AM Wrote:I would love to hear any feedback
The guide is looking really good.

A thought on B1&3: since a necro specializing in skelies has very sturdy ones, I recommend asking the necro to hang near a town healer with his army for the enchant (at full enchant gear). The advantage is that you can spam the enchants because you can just touch the town healer for mana. This means you have a pretty good chance of blessing all the skelies without too much frustration.

Another topic perhaps deserving a minor footnote is that Enchantresses are a bit different in classic, but a worthwhile build there also (I'm only clvl 15 atm in that experiment, so this isn't gospel--yet). ;)

I'm pretty sure I raised enough fuss in beta about Enchant being too good for others (than the Sorc) pre-release that Blizzard had to have noticed. This leads me to guess that Enchant is as "intended". Time will tell (i.e. if they patch again but don't touch Enchant). A pity if you write a good guide and then they nerf the skill in a patch.
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Quote:The 1.10 patch dramatically changed the relative strengths of many Diablo II skills, and no skill had its power increased more than the sorceress skill, Enchant.

I got as far as the first sentence and already started hating it. The quoted sentence while immediately throwing a challege out in the open (with a boast) looks like it heralds something that only a *ahem* "UB3R l337 D00D LOLOL!!!111" (If you'll pardon my AOLish) could appreciate.

. . . Then followed by the Encyclopedia Britannica entry on the LOD Enchantress, which would seem to only really appeal to the extreme opposite person on the scale of mental agility.

Umm ok. :unsure:

And what's with all the entries on non-Enchant attack types? Once a Sorceress devotes half her power to Frozen Orb or Inferno or whatever other attack she's lost her claim to the name of Enchantress IMO, simply because half the time she won't even be using Enchant! :blink:

Another thing most guides fall into the trap of doing is the shopping list . . .
Quote:consider purchasing an Artisan's Tower Shield of Deflecting at the Act I hell shop and socketing it with 3 perfect diamonds.
Wonderful. :( Reading a 'guide' that gives little clue as to what mods are useful and why, prefering instead to list specific names to hunt for. <_<

Well that about sums up my list of criticisms. I'd probably have more except the guide being a reference text encouraged me to skip much and skim a little. ;)
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MongoJerry,Nov 30 2003, 08:35 AM Wrote:I would love to hear any feedback regarding the guide posted above.
I saw this posted to the Amazon Basin and immediately started a sorcerer to try it out - I admit, at the time I read it, I had the runes for "Leaf" sitting around anyway.

She's only fifth level now, and living on staves for spells. She can't use the Leaf staff until level 19.
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Couple of questions with enchant, FM and Shapeshifting.

Can you stay in WB form if you switch out the 'Beast' weapon used to shift?

While in Were form, how does enchant work with a ranged weapon? The Were forms use ranged weapons as melee. If you were a sorc in were form from 'Beast' and switched to a Kuko (for example) would you get the additional application of FM?

Do you release an explosive area of effect with a melee attack from a weapon with explosive arrows/bolts using in Were form? If so, and you get the additional application of FM as above, does this also transfer to the explosive AoE?

Ages ago, I remember reading about anomilies with were forms using ranged weapons with inate pierce. It seemed as though sometimes an invisible missile would be released from melee attacks (Maybe if a piercing attack was rolled?), which could be observed striking an opponent at range. Is this correct? Does it still work? If so, could a sorc or druid utilise this to inflict more enchant improved damage?
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Re: INFERNO ENCHANTRESS: My Arctic Blast Druid is doing fine in NM, much better than my melee warrior tries. So I'd say this is viable, at least before Hell.

Also with Leaf and other +fire skill items it's much easier to get higher damage than AB, so this is a pretty good alternative.
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Damn you, MongoJerry! :)

You're going to make this build popular, and the novelty factor I have going right now with my Enchantress on the 1.10 ladder will disappear. It's the most fun on public Battle.Net, where I enchant other players and their usual response is along the lines of "OMG THIS RULLEZZ!" as they just slaughter everything in their path. But I've been enjoying Enchantresses for some weeks now - they're a blast!

A couple of additions I'd recommend are comments on how Enchant works with a number of the more esoteric skills other character classes can use. For example, an Assassin's Blade Fury or Amazon's Freezing Arrow.

Another thing I'd point out is that the Act 2 mercenaries also hit twice sometimes (maybe all the time?). Don't forget that Prayer is pretty incredible at high levels. Also, the top reason for using an Act 2 merc is the mighty Woestave (see description here) which, when upgraded, is unbelievably incredible. However, you first have to FIND one and I'd understand if you want to avoid any "go get this item now" comments in your guide.

Finally, you don't even need any weapons in Normal difficulty - you can easily beat that with a Leaf staff. Enchant quickly starts adding way more damage than any weapon you can yield, so all you need is something that can HIT a monster and you can take them down with ease. An Act 2 Blessed Aim merc could also grant the Sorceress the AR needed for hell-level monsters.

This guide is a great start, Mongo! Keep it up, and try not to make all my other Sorceress build ideas too popular before I even get a chance to try them. :)

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adamantine,Nov 30 2003, 01:08 PM Wrote:Re: INFERNO ENCHANTRESS: My Arctic Blast Druid is doing fine in NM, much better than my melee warrior tries. So I'd say this is viable, at least before Hell.
Yes, before Hell. Inferno will simply get your rear end handed to you in Hell difficulty. Arctic Blast gives a benefit of chilling monsters that Inferno does not - you have to stand still and get reamed by any and all attacks that WILL stun you, so you have to start over...

It's just not viable, in my opinion. In a big party with lots of cover, yes, but with just you and a merc, no.

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Hello

The guide is pretty good if one read Grizabella's adventures. I would agree with WarBlade's general criticism (not the tone, mind you :), but I did read Grisablella's adventures (and have played an Enchantress in 1.0, have horrible nightmares about that still :)

Anyway, I wanted to comment on your ES bug remark. I was one of the few who (upon reading TK's synergy bonus) immediatelly thought of making an invulnerasorc. The idea was: max TK, 60-70% ES, and enough Vulpine items to counter the mana loss.
Two reasons why it did not work:
- vulpine only works on physical items
- ES comes before resists

Now, if it was not the case... a 60% ES could be sustainable with just a socketed Naj's armor and Nightsmoke.

The thing is: ES with 20 in TK is now weaker than ES was in 1.09. But if they "fixed" this "bug", ES would be INCREDIBLY powerful. I am sorry to say so, but I believe this is a feature, not a bug.

And hey Blizzard, my cold sorc will say a HUGE thank you if you prove me wrong!

Caaroid
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The first time I read about Griazabella, I was wondering how to do it. Now, with this guide... I know! (Sounds like an advertisement... ;) )

Ok... The part about what to enchant is very confusing, names of minions have been repeated in both parts like the shadow master and the skeletons. Also, if you have a leaf staff, wont you only be able to cast the extra powered enchant on other players and leaving yourself with the non-powered enchant on your own weapon? And is Fire mastery worth the 20 points if you're planning to be a bow enchantress?

Thats all I have to say and ask.

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Quote:A couple of additions I'd recommend are comments on how Enchant works with a number of the more esoteric skills other character classes can use. For example, an Assassin's Blade Fury or Amazon's Freezing Arrow.

Is Enchant carried by the Freezing Arrow explosion?
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Quote:
Quote:The 1.10 patch dramatically changed the relative strengths of many Diablo II skills, and no skill had its power increased more than the sorceress skill, Enchant.

I got as far as the first sentence and already started hating it. The quoted sentence while immediately throwing a challege out in the open (with a boast) looks like it heralds something that only a *ahem* "UB3R l337 D00D LOLOL!!!111" (If you'll pardon my AOLish) could appreciate.

While it may be arguable that enchant is the "most improved"skill (my vote for skellies), I'm not sure where the boast is, and I don't see how it cries out to uber leet dudes. Sounded pretty objective, (if, perhaps, a slight factual exageration) and your criticism seems a bit harsh.

Quote:And what's with all the entries on non-Enchant attack types? Once a Sorceress devotes half her power to Frozen Orb or Inferno or whatever other attack she's lost her claim to the name of Enchantress IMO, simply because half the time she won't even be using Enchant!&nbsp;

As far as single player characters go, I would think that it would be quite desirable to get other skills so as to be able to deal with fire immunes, particularly if this is no-twink. My personal preference would be to utilize TS or blizzard, which can act as support spell while you melee rather than utilizing spells such as orb that restrict melee attacks. Bottom line, I don't see how this section of the guide is such a problem. You're certainly free not to use another skill...

Quote:Wonderful.&nbsp; Reading a 'guide' that gives little clue as to what mods are useful and why, prefering instead to list specific names to hunt for.&nbsp;

Partly a fair criticism and partly bogus. Mongo never said that you HAD to have any of these items, but the unique characteristics of several make them quite a bit more interesting for an enchantress. I don't believe that there are clear cut standards as far as attributes go - if you don't have the equipment that he lists, you could certainly find it, or look for other pieces that have similar attributes. In my opinion, the listing of these uniques is quite useful, as several of them are quite "undesirable" in most circumstances. It's not like he told you to run out and throw on a shaftstop, windforce and cleglaws in order to be l33t. He should probably make a more detailed listing of desirable attributes, but I think that you probably already knew that you should attempt to max your resists, etc.

As far as the length of the guide goes and your criticism of its "encyclopedic" content... You're contradiciting yourself. What do you want, a guide that tells you exactly how to build an enchantress, or a guide highlighting different build ideas and making suggestions BASED ON EXPERIENCE as to what is more or less successful. Personally, I like Mongo's guide quite a bit; it's open-ended, instructive, and comprehensive. For someone relatively unacquainted with the in's and out's of enchant, I found it quite informative.
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A question on dealing with fire immunes... You mentioned usage of Passion runeword:

Quote:2. A 'Passion' phase blade, because of its ability to allow a sorceress to Zeal and Berserk. Note that +all skills items will boost the number of Zeal attacks in an attack sequence, so one should wear at least a handful of +all skills items to take full advantage of 'Passion.' A phase blade is a good weapon with which to make a 'Passion' blade because of its fast base attack speed.

Why not use (or suggest) Berserk to deal with fire immunes? As I remember correctly (unless this changed), Berserk converts ALL damage, even elemental, to magical type. With a fast weapon, this could easily be used to take care of any fire immunes; it's hard to find monsters that are immune to both (even such bosses are rare). And the runeword itself is not that hard to get. Of course, slap me if berserk works differently now and it wouldn't work =\
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Chaerophon,Dec 1 2003, 06:50 PM Wrote:While it may be arguable that enchant is the "most improved"skill (my vote for skellies), I'm not sure where the boast is
"no skill had its power increased more than the sorceress skill"

Not something for an opening sentence IMO and not something I'd expect to find in any sentence in a decent guide really. If I read I guide I expect it to seek to educate. To read a sentence that I would expect to read as an introduction actually come across as a minor boast just starts killing the the thing from the outset.

Quote:As far as single player characters go, I would think that it would be quite desirable to get other skills so as to be able to deal with fire immunes, particularly if this is no-twink.

*raises hand* I play single-player. A lot.

My point is not about SP, but about the oddity in calling something an "Enchantress" that is clearly advertised as being simply 'a-Sorceress-who-happens-to-use-Enchant-among-a-collection-of-other-attacks'.

Quote:Partly a fair criticism and partly bogus.&nbsp; Mongo never said that you HAD to have any of these items, but the unique characteristics of several make them quite a bit more interesting for an enchantress.&nbsp; I don't believe that there are clear cut standards as far as attributes go - if you don't have the equipment that he lists, you could certainly find it, or look for other pieces that have similar attributes.&nbsp; In my opinion, the listing of these uniques is quite useful, as several of them are quite "undesirable" in most circumstances.&nbsp; It's not like he told you to run out and throw on a shaftstop, windforce and cleglaws in order to be l33t.&nbsp; He should probably make a more detailed listing of desirable attributes, but I think that you probably already knew that you should attempt to max your resists, etc.

What . . . the . . .

Slightly tangential there. <_<

Ok try this. Here's a guide that seeks to educate. Instead it ventures a few names and gives vague reasons why said names might be handy. Does this educate? Not in my opinion. Personally any guide worth it's mettle that mentions anything about items will focus on attributes first and perhaps not even bother to name items that can easily be looked up on AS.

To give you an example for a Sorceress, I might look at the uses of Energy Shield for a melee Sorceress. Any guide has the potential to explore the relationship between ES and Vulpine items, but do any guides out there actually do this? Not really. A few might mention Nightsmoke or whatever, but all that does is offer rote memory junk. There's no understanding granted in a name. Consequently most guides are crap and this one, while not nearly as bad as most, is sticking half a foot into the same trap, which I personally find is a real shame. :(

Quote:As far as the length of the guide goes and your criticism of its "encyclopedic" content...&nbsp; You're contradiciting yourself.&nbsp; What do you want, a guide that tells you exactly how to build an enchantress, or a guide highlighting different build ideas and making suggestions BASED ON EXPERIENCE as to what is more or less successful.&nbsp; Personally, I like Mongo's guide quite a bit; it's open-ended, instructive, and comprehensive.&nbsp; For someone relatively unacquainted with the in's and out's of enchant, I found it quite informative.

I'll rate it like this. Most of the guides for D2 character build are complete and utter crap. A few, like a number that I could count on my fingers, are guides that I would consider worth reading. This Enchanctress guide is neither. It stands close to the later category, but ultimately cries out for some minor tinkering. Ditch the item names, consider what "Enchantress" really means, tailor the guide accordingly, make a worthy inroduction (of facts more than opinions) and I'd be happy to recommend it. Until then I'll just take a quick glance and shrug away another, "Damn, so close. :( "
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Yeah, I was reading the line about "Passion" weapons, and then it struck me. You completely IGNORED the fact that berserk could be useful on the weapon. :P


Anyway, on to my usual English Spelling/Grammar Nazi God nit. :P

Quote:However, castable minions like >>>golems, shadow masters<<<, valkyries, >>>skeletons<<<, and revives often die or get recast, so you shouldn't sweat about trying to really power them up. >>>Iron golems, shadow masters, and skeletons<<< tend to last a reasonable amount of time

Note the highlighted portions. I would suggest a slight retooling of it by simply saying:

However, some castable minions and revives(since revives are "timered" minions who WILL eventually die, regardless of damage level) often die or get recast, so you shouldn't sweat about trying to really power them up. Iron golems, shadow masters, and skeletons tend to last a reasonable amount of time, etc.

I personally think valks last pretty long, if they don't get themselves jumped on by 50+ zerglings(so to speak) Ditto for bears. I'd also say a pack of wolves would be a better choice for a beast-master partner, than a grizzly. 3-5 hits with full enchant damage PER HIT, versus 1+enchant for the bear.

I'm not saying that you should FORCE your partners to play specific builds, but it would be interesting to add what YOU think are good people to party(enchant) with. Just off the top of my head, I'd say Multi-zons, Strafe-zons, Fend-zons, Jab-zons, Whirling barbs, Frenzy barbs, Double-swing barbs(shrug), Zealots, Conviction paladins, Lower Resist Necros, Poison Dagger Necros, Wolfpack druids, Martial Artist Assasins, Star-sins(Blade throwers)

Essentially, anyone who can deal multiple physicalhits within a short span of time, would be a good partner, since every (successful)hit would be another touch of enchanted fire damage.

All in all, a good guide, barring the error mentioned above. Feel free to use any, all, or none of the suggestions above. :)
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lemekim,Dec 1 2003, 06:53 AM Wrote:Why not use (or suggest) Berserk to deal with fire immunes? As I remember correctly (unless this changed), Berserk converts ALL damage, even elemental, to magical type.
I remember testing/verifying in beta that enchant did not get converted to lightning for the zon lightning bolt skill conversion. I completely spaced testing it for Berserk (and have not seen a post claiming all damage gets translated, not just physical, until this post).

So, as I am unable to test such an important factoid for several days, would someone please verify this? (lying character screen and actual sanity check--barehanded would be one good subtest).

Amazing that I still see some bit of trivia like this every week that I've never heard of before. :)
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WarBlade,Nov 30 2003, 12:48 PM Wrote:Another thing most guides fall into the trap of doing is the shopping list . . .
A guide like : shako, storm, occy, max XXX skill, this is my guide to an XXX sorc falls into this trap and I don't admire such guides any more than you do

What MongoJerry is advising here is to shop for a shield. This is available to any character, whether SP or online and is good advice

Warblade, you say that the guide is weak and you say that you haven't read it properly. A rather poor basis on which to offer criticism, imo
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Speaking as someone who has not memorized the item list, MongoJerry's guide was fairly clear on the kinds of items necessary, with some good suggestions for sets and uniques. Admittedly, they could use more explanation, but this is true of just about every guide that ever exists.

It's not necessarily perfect, but it laid the groundwork for playing the build.
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Kali Magdalene,Dec 2 2003, 02:55 AM Wrote:MongoJerry's guide was fairly clear on the kinds of items necessary, with some good suggestions for sets and uniques.
I stick to my argument. Suggestions about sets or uniques are in themselves a guide killer IMO. Whether the items mentioned are appropriate for the build or not is entirely irrelevant.

Anyone can assume that to do more damage one can equip 'a bigger gun'. Stating and re-stating the fact along with a list of available products (that are far more extensively list elsewhere anyway) just amounts to wasted space.
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