Warlocks Getting Buffed
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savaughn,May 10 2005, 09:22 PM Wrote:So, do me a favor and stop for a second.  Take a look at this argument.  Fear is an exceedingly powerful PvP tool that I've personally used to kill people in PvP.  Fear+Seduce+DoTs are pretty much a death sentence.  What you are arguing is that situationally, fear is less useful.  True.

That's true for every single escape mechanism in the game.  And Warlocks have more than many classes.

Various people in this thread have made sweeping generalization after generalization about how every class has an escape mechanism except warlocks, and then when shown how warlocks have as good if not better escape mechanisms than most (Mages and Rogues are kings of escape and exceptions to the rule), proceed to quibble how they aren't really escape mechanisms because they don't work all the time.  NO ONE's escape mechanisms work all the time.  My priest LAUGHS at frost nova ever since I built a self-cast dispel magic macro.  I can make far better cases for hunters and warriors and no one has it worse for escape mechanisms than slow slogging paladins.

There are 9 classes in this game.  Two of them have great escape mechanisms.  Warlocks are on par with the rest but a bit more situational.  If someone attacks you, no, the odds are you aren't getting away.  You have to fight them.  If they are higher level or have more numbers, you're probably going to die.  That's the nature of 1:1 PvP in this game by design, even if you don't like it and think everyone should have an infallible "I win" button.
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My complaint is not the fact that we "don't have escapes". My complaint is every method we have is in some way tied to something. We don't have an escape chance spell that is universally available and instant cast. Every method that people claim as an escape depends on some factor. Sure there are a bunch of them, but they aren't truely escape mechanisms if we have to rely on a situation. What other class has to be prepared beforehand to cast their escape spell (barring reagents)? As far as I know, warlock is the only class where the supposed escape spells require either a large talent point investment or a specific pet out. With changing pets being far from simple and having such a high cost, that's not a very good escape either.

The generality I give is more the truth than just saying that warlocks don't have an escape. I agree that there are many different individual spells that can help a warlock escape. The problem is more that the only one that's always available is fear, and there's been enough talk as to why that doesn't work.
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Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Quark - 05-10-2005, 07:46 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Raven Vale - 05-10-2005, 08:37 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Raelynn - 05-10-2005, 12:38 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by bonemage - 05-10-2005, 02:46 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Icebird - 05-10-2005, 03:36 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-10-2005, 05:30 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by savaughn - 05-10-2005, 05:55 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Icebird - 05-10-2005, 06:10 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-10-2005, 06:31 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Darian - 05-10-2005, 06:43 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by vor_lord - 05-10-2005, 07:08 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Tal - 05-10-2005, 07:13 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Drasca - 05-10-2005, 07:37 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Artega - 05-10-2005, 07:38 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Drasca - 05-10-2005, 07:48 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by MongoJerry - 05-10-2005, 08:04 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Drasca - 05-10-2005, 08:12 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by KiloVictor - 05-10-2005, 08:19 PM
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Warlocks Getting Buffed - by vor_lord - 05-10-2005, 08:35 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by vor_lord - 05-10-2005, 08:39 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by KiloVictor - 05-10-2005, 08:39 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by savaughn - 05-10-2005, 08:42 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Treesh - 05-10-2005, 08:47 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by vor_lord - 05-10-2005, 08:56 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-10-2005, 09:14 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-10-2005, 09:24 PM
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Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-11-2005, 12:43 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by MongoJerry - 05-11-2005, 01:08 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by savaughn - 05-11-2005, 01:22 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-11-2005, 01:50 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by mjdoom - 05-11-2005, 01:59 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Drasca - 05-11-2005, 02:13 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Drasca - 05-11-2005, 02:20 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Lissa - 05-11-2005, 02:28 AM
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Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Raelynn - 05-11-2005, 05:21 AM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by Raelynn - 05-11-2005, 05:28 AM
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Warlocks Getting Buffed - by savaughn - 05-11-2005, 01:06 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by vor_lord - 05-11-2005, 01:12 PM
Warlocks Getting Buffed - by savaughn - 05-11-2005, 01:53 PM
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