04-26-2005, 05:17 PM
Your point is completely valid. There are way to many guns at knife fights. And this isn't a Horde vs Alliance thing however much it starts out as one.
However, being on the 30 side of the the 70/30 alliance horde servers which both Terenas and Stormrage are I cheer any horde who kills any Alliance in the Barrens by any means fair and fun or not right now. I'm not playing on Terenas right now because I'm tired of there not being a Crossroads. I was involved in PvP up there where we were trying to defend and well at L43 Marn was one of the biggest there a few 60's who were online did come to try and help but 3 60's vs 15 plus several other 40 and 50 supports isn't enough. I counted at least 15 ?? alliance and I think there were more that were coming in at the end. Another time I didn't flag myself I counted at least 10 ?? aliance in X-roads and this worked no better because the position of so many of the NPC's there means they are dead and you don't have to worry about too many guards mucking with you either. The town is flattened all the time and many horde players are frustrated by this.
I have never seen Westfall, Lakeshore, or Auberdine in this state, ever. I've Elwyn flattened once. I've seen Brill flattened at least 5 times, I've seen Razorhill and Bloodhoof flattened several times. It's still very hard for horde on these servers to pick a fair fight or a fight where they have the advantage so they are going to take advantage of people when they can. Had you wanted to, even ignoring guild members I bet you could have gotten 5 to 10 L60's to respond and help you by putting someting in General. The Horde on these servers might have been able to get another 5 if they were lucky.
It's just another issue with current PvP on PvE servers you have a side that is pretty much constantly bitter due to the population difference and what this can mean. When one side has twice as many bored 60's they are going to start more problems and have an easier time griefing and imbalancing. If there were a 70/30 horde pop server I bet Westfall and Lakeshire would always have dead NPC's too and the Alliance would take any chance they could get to bring a gun out in a knife fight. This isn't a horde vs alliance thing. This is a pop imbalance thing. It's good the PvP servers are actually pretty evenly matched in most cases (60/40 is probably close enough). The big imbalances are PvE and RP servers. So fair and fun PvP gets harder to find because of this as well. Even dishonor wouldn't help all of this, bored and frustrated people would do some of it anyway.
I'm looking foward to battlegrounds. I hope they do have stuff where sub 60's can actually do and have fun doing it without needing constant protection from the 60's on their side. Heck I hope there are some level caps in some of the battlegrounds (since there will be multiples) so you can't be over 40 in this one and that if one side has twenty 40's that want in and the other only has 5 that it only happens if the under leveled side agrees to let it happen. I can't really tell you how to make PvP more balanced and fun for everyone, if I could I probably would be working for some game company as a designer. :) I do hope that things get better.
However, being on the 30 side of the the 70/30 alliance horde servers which both Terenas and Stormrage are I cheer any horde who kills any Alliance in the Barrens by any means fair and fun or not right now. I'm not playing on Terenas right now because I'm tired of there not being a Crossroads. I was involved in PvP up there where we were trying to defend and well at L43 Marn was one of the biggest there a few 60's who were online did come to try and help but 3 60's vs 15 plus several other 40 and 50 supports isn't enough. I counted at least 15 ?? alliance and I think there were more that were coming in at the end. Another time I didn't flag myself I counted at least 10 ?? aliance in X-roads and this worked no better because the position of so many of the NPC's there means they are dead and you don't have to worry about too many guards mucking with you either. The town is flattened all the time and many horde players are frustrated by this.
I have never seen Westfall, Lakeshore, or Auberdine in this state, ever. I've Elwyn flattened once. I've seen Brill flattened at least 5 times, I've seen Razorhill and Bloodhoof flattened several times. It's still very hard for horde on these servers to pick a fair fight or a fight where they have the advantage so they are going to take advantage of people when they can. Had you wanted to, even ignoring guild members I bet you could have gotten 5 to 10 L60's to respond and help you by putting someting in General. The Horde on these servers might have been able to get another 5 if they were lucky.
It's just another issue with current PvP on PvE servers you have a side that is pretty much constantly bitter due to the population difference and what this can mean. When one side has twice as many bored 60's they are going to start more problems and have an easier time griefing and imbalancing. If there were a 70/30 horde pop server I bet Westfall and Lakeshire would always have dead NPC's too and the Alliance would take any chance they could get to bring a gun out in a knife fight. This isn't a horde vs alliance thing. This is a pop imbalance thing. It's good the PvP servers are actually pretty evenly matched in most cases (60/40 is probably close enough). The big imbalances are PvE and RP servers. So fair and fun PvP gets harder to find because of this as well. Even dishonor wouldn't help all of this, bored and frustrated people would do some of it anyway.
I'm looking foward to battlegrounds. I hope they do have stuff where sub 60's can actually do and have fun doing it without needing constant protection from the 60's on their side. Heck I hope there are some level caps in some of the battlegrounds (since there will be multiples) so you can't be over 40 in this one and that if one side has twenty 40's that want in and the other only has 5 that it only happens if the under leveled side agrees to let it happen. I can't really tell you how to make PvP more balanced and fun for everyone, if I could I probably would be working for some game company as a designer. :) I do hope that things get better.
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.
It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.