Damage modifications
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Jarulf,Nov 8 2003, 09:11 PM Wrote:Any input, correction, comment, additional info and so on most welcome. As can be seen, several black holes still exists
Here's a couple tidbits:

v1.10 (release at least) allows Lifetap to lifesteal for ranged attacks. Since a throwing dagger with Lifetap charges presented itself while I was shopping for a lower resist charges wand for the real testing I wanted to do (listed below) I thought "hey, it's destiny, I should test this again".

So I'm in players 2, lan, v1.10, and I get injured, take off my +replenish gear, throw a couple test daggers (to make sure I didn't miss any life stealing gear) and then lifetap a weenie blood moor fallen and throw a dagger, killing it.

Whoa, double take! I gained 10 HPs! ... checks D2data, yep yep, fallen, 1-4 HPs, adjusted for players 2, hmm...

Try again, +9 HPs. Again. +10 HPs. Hmm. I'm gaining, with "50%" Lifetap, more life than the fallen itself has.

Test melee. Yep, as expected, only gain ~+2 HPs. Remove elemental damage (magefist). Retest. Same deal.

Watch carefully... ranged Lifetap seems to fill my life globe over a substantial period of time, as if I'm getting multiple steals. Hmm. That would be a bug, most likely. Hmm. v1.10 couldn't need to be patched, could it? :blink:

...

The test I was really going after is patterned after an excellent test/thread started by Olon97 at AB when the LL was down: Static Field and minus lightning resist from Crescent Moon

I took a naked -act 5 barb with vit fully pumped (clvl 33, 759 HPs) called killme just outside the rogue camp to be a test subject. He went to akara after every time he was hit by static, to restore his HPs. Although the 17% PvP penalty and lack of precision in the HPs display makes the numbers a bit fuzzy, they are still distinquishable...

0% resist: 33 damage
35% resist: 21 damage

(note that I restored killme's .d2s file a few times during testing, so I could boost his Natural Resist to 35% when I wished but restore him to 0% later, keeping him naked the whole time)

0% resist, Sorc learns Lightning Mastery (at +1 for slvl 2): 33 damage

(note that LM doesn't seem to have an effect, but Sorc was not restored, so all further tests are done with LM)

0% resist -31% from charge of lower resist: 33 damage

(from this we see no benefit to Static from negative resist, which is expected since that was a big snafu many versions ago with conviction/static one hit kills)

So nothing is particularly stunning here, but it gets more interesting...

35% resist, -31% resist from LR: 31 damage

Ah, so Lower resist does help Static (there was some question of this so it's good to confirm).

Now we get weird. I used a cubemain tweak to convert a mana potion into a crafted wnd (wand) with -50% enemy lightning resist. The Sorc held that for all of the following statics:

0% resist, -50% pierce: 49 damage

0% resist, -31% LR, -50% pierce: 45 damge

(yes, you read that right! throwing in a LR actually reduced the damage)

35% resist, -50% pierce: 37 damage

35% resist, -31% LR, -50% pierce: 47 damage.

(good, LR is back to doing something useful)

Even though I've looked at Olon97's excellent "fit" for his results, I don't see a decent "fit" for these numbers. Something is a bit odd here.

Naturally someone "should" reproduce my numbers, as I might have made a testing mistake (I was careful, but I am sick, and I've not had great luck with numbers in posts lately :D )

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Well, I'm off to test other things now (including the intriguing post claiming cyclone armor, unlike Energy Shield and Bone Armor, seems to be acting as elem mdr after resists).
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Damage modifications - by Jarulf - 11-08-2003, 09:20 PM
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