12-03-2003, 03:21 PM
Hi,
I have spent most of my D2 playing time in Single Player/TCP games.
But those are two completely different situations. To cheat, one either needs to cheat *someone* other than the cheater or to break the rules of the game. In single player there is no "other". And since a game *is* its rules, and the rules are what those that are playing agree to, then changing the rules when all agree is simply changing the game. What a person does when playing alone is that person's and only that person's business. There can be no question of cheating on that level. Whether a person is modifying the rules to test game concepts or because the person is a wanker looking to beat an easier game than the one he bought for a cheap thrill does not enter the question. Of course if a person "beats" one game (say hacked Diablo) and claims to have beaten another game (real Diablo), then that person is a liar, but still not a cheater.
Once others are involved, then cheating does become an issue. Whether that cheating takes place while playing with the others or whether it took place in generating the character and items prior to the multi-player game does not matter. What does matter, again, is the agreement between players. If all the players involved have agreed to play by the same rules, whether those rules are those the maker of the game intended or not, then again there is no cheating involved. Those so playing are simply playing a different game.
I just had to vent a bit when I saw that line tossed out again.
And I had to vent when I saw this knee jerk reaction to this topic again :)
--Pete
I have spent most of my D2 playing time in Single Player/TCP games.
But those are two completely different situations. To cheat, one either needs to cheat *someone* other than the cheater or to break the rules of the game. In single player there is no "other". And since a game *is* its rules, and the rules are what those that are playing agree to, then changing the rules when all agree is simply changing the game. What a person does when playing alone is that person's and only that person's business. There can be no question of cheating on that level. Whether a person is modifying the rules to test game concepts or because the person is a wanker looking to beat an easier game than the one he bought for a cheap thrill does not enter the question. Of course if a person "beats" one game (say hacked Diablo) and claims to have beaten another game (real Diablo), then that person is a liar, but still not a cheater.
Once others are involved, then cheating does become an issue. Whether that cheating takes place while playing with the others or whether it took place in generating the character and items prior to the multi-player game does not matter. What does matter, again, is the agreement between players. If all the players involved have agreed to play by the same rules, whether those rules are those the maker of the game intended or not, then again there is no cheating involved. Those so playing are simply playing a different game.
I just had to vent a bit when I saw that line tossed out again.
And I had to vent when I saw this knee jerk reaction to this topic again :)
--Pete
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