08-09-2003, 10:06 PM
Brista,
I respect all your contributions to the D2 community immensely. You're one of the more informed, interesting members of it, and it'd be a genuine shame if you decided to stop posting over something like this. I'd rather leave the forum than have that happen.
That said, I feel like you've brought an elephant gun to a water-pistol fight. Here's my perspective: I made a quip that I thought nothing of when posted. I was made to defend my quip by Bolty and BigGrim, so argued in what I felt was a relatively rational, level-headed way. I'm not sure where you got self-promotion, deliberate trolling, hijacking, boasting, attention-grabbing -- I don't even know what a "pillock" is -- from my post. Grim challenged my reasons for posting the silly "niggas triangulate", and I gave and explained them. Re-reading it, the only thing that strikes me is that is sounds a little bristly. But other than that, it seems to me like straight-forward, valid debate. I wasn't picking a fight, I wasn't dismissing the other side's arguments, and I didn't pick out and insult those who disagreed with me.
Now you're insulting me, and it doesn't seem fair.
And please don't blame Bolty -- he simply wanted to see how things would play out, probably knowing that neither BigGrim, nor I, or anybody else involved was going to start mud-slinging and raking the Lounge through it. If you want to blame somebody, I'm your man. I don't feel it's deserved, but Bolty let me dig my grave, and if somebody wants to push me in, then I will lie in it.
Ignatz
As a last thought, and I think BigGrim will agree with me, there is no "winning" an argument like this -- it's provocative discussion and opinion-sharing. With something (so clearly) controversial, there should be no expectations about winning-over the other side. Race is a timeless, unending issue. It will always be so. The only thing to do is discuss it, keep discussing it, and hope that some day it's a matter of discussion, and nothing more.
I respect all your contributions to the D2 community immensely. You're one of the more informed, interesting members of it, and it'd be a genuine shame if you decided to stop posting over something like this. I'd rather leave the forum than have that happen.
That said, I feel like you've brought an elephant gun to a water-pistol fight. Here's my perspective: I made a quip that I thought nothing of when posted. I was made to defend my quip by Bolty and BigGrim, so argued in what I felt was a relatively rational, level-headed way. I'm not sure where you got self-promotion, deliberate trolling, hijacking, boasting, attention-grabbing -- I don't even know what a "pillock" is -- from my post. Grim challenged my reasons for posting the silly "niggas triangulate", and I gave and explained them. Re-reading it, the only thing that strikes me is that is sounds a little bristly. But other than that, it seems to me like straight-forward, valid debate. I wasn't picking a fight, I wasn't dismissing the other side's arguments, and I didn't pick out and insult those who disagreed with me.
Now you're insulting me, and it doesn't seem fair.
And please don't blame Bolty -- he simply wanted to see how things would play out, probably knowing that neither BigGrim, nor I, or anybody else involved was going to start mud-slinging and raking the Lounge through it. If you want to blame somebody, I'm your man. I don't feel it's deserved, but Bolty let me dig my grave, and if somebody wants to push me in, then I will lie in it.
Ignatz
As a last thought, and I think BigGrim will agree with me, there is no "winning" an argument like this -- it's provocative discussion and opinion-sharing. With something (so clearly) controversial, there should be no expectations about winning-over the other side. Race is a timeless, unending issue. It will always be so. The only thing to do is discuss it, keep discussing it, and hope that some day it's a matter of discussion, and nothing more.
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