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After the recent rapid rise in the practice of player gambling using the /random command and the accompanying spam in the chat channels that came with it, Blizzard finally put its foot down and declared that "casinos are no longer allowed in World of Warcraft."
I'm certainly glad to see the spam gone from the chat channels, but there is a part of me that's saddened by it. The casinos were after all, "player created content," and some of the gambling games were pretty enterprising. Most used standard high-volume gambling techniques that gave the house an advantage but not by so much that one could complain about being completely ripped off. For example, one common game was to have a player do a /random 13 with the house winning on odds and the player winning on evens. Some did /random 1000 with various increasing payoffs as the roll got closer to 1000. Like I said, I'm glad to see the spam gone, but it'd be nice to have more legitimate avenues available that would allow people to create content like this. Kind of a player housing concept, except that maybe a person could setup an automated shop with lots of available script automation possibilities.
(Just thinking out loud).
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MongoJerry,Feb 18 2005, 06:24 AM Wrote:After the recent rapid rise in the practice of player gambling using the /random command and the accompanying spam in the chat channels that came with it, Blizzard finally put its foot down and declared that "casinos are no longer allowed in World of Warcraft."
I'm certainly glad to see the spam gone from the chat channels, but there is a part of me that's saddened by it. The casinos were after all, "player created content," and some of the gambling games were pretty enterprising. Most used standard high-volume gambling techniques that gave the house an advantage but not by so much that one could complain about being completely ripped off. For example, one common game was to have a player do a /random 13 with the house winning on odds and the player winning on evens. Some did /random 1000 with various increasing payoffs as the roll got closer to 1000. Like I said, I'm glad to see the spam gone, but it'd be nice to have more legitimate avenues available that would allow people to create content like this. Kind of a player housing concept, except that maybe a person could setup an automated shop with lots of available script automation possibilities.
(Just thinking out loud).
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I'm glad the Casinos are gone, I'm just not sure I regret it at all. Sure some were kinda neat, and the idea of player created content is a fantastic one, but for me, it comes down to one thing:
The Casinos, not much unlike their real life counterparts, were varying degrees of a scam to take your money. Some people were just dishonest and outright robbed you. Some just gave losing odds, in the long run. Either way, while I'm not here to be morally righteous... I don't think you can have something like this done by the player base.
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I'm glad the spam is gone (was on Terenas when the system message came up), but it would be nice if Blizzard got off its duff and added something else in its place. They're "looking into it" or maybe they've now moved it into the "we're working on it, be patient" phase. I don't remember exactly what the CMs on the WoW boards have said last.
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I must have been in IF at the wrong times because I didn't see the Casino spam as much. That being said from what I've read I can't say that I will miss them. :)
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Thawwing Light,Feb 18 2005, 07:55 AM Wrote:The Casinos, not much unlike their real life counterparts, were varying degrees of a scam to take your money. Some people were just dishonest and outright robbed you. Some just gave losing odds, in the long run.
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People either know this going into Casinos or need to take some basic math classes. In my opinion, the theory of casinos in WoW was perfectly fine. The practice of it got ugly not just because of the spam and scams, but the reactions to it as well. Too many people complained about the casinos after never playing them. Many claimed they were scammed (in general chat) when they hadn't even been on the same screen as the casino runner. :wacko:
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Quark,Feb 18 2005, 09:11 AM Wrote:People either know this going into Casinos or need to take some basic math classes. In my opinion, the theory of casinos in WoW was perfectly fine. The practice of it got ugly not just because of the spam and scams, but the reactions to it as well. Too many people complained about the casinos after never playing them. Many claimed they were scammed (in general chat) when they hadn't even been on the same screen as the casino runner. :wacko:
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I never complained to anyone about them, but about half of them seemed designed purely to scam newer players who didn't yet know what things were worth. YMMV.
I'm glad to see them gone, myself.
--Mav
"player created content" can be a GMs nightmare.
The problem is a lot of kids play this game and kids tend to stupid stuff - like try to gamble with someone they just met and end up getting ripped off. Sure it would be nice to say - live and learn, but Blizz needs to keep customers happy. GMs essentially telling clueless 13 year olds that they were stupid was not a good situation from a customer satisfaction stand point.
Myself I am thrilled to say "bye" to the spam.
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Tal,Feb 18 2005, 10:01 AM Wrote:I must have been in IF at the wrong times because I didn't see the Casino spam as much. That being said from what I've read I can't say that I will miss them. :)
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I have only seen the 3 attempts at a casino running in the Ironforge Bank-Auction House area. The first two were met by a stong seniment of go away (about 9-1 and the 1 was apparently a player co-operaiting in hooking in other players). These both ended fairly shortly when 2 other players informed the casino operators that the had filed GM reports on their abuse of spamming on the channels and excessive yelling in the area. The third time I noticed one happening, it was staying realatively quite off to the north side of that area.
Based on Blizzards usual attitude about most the things like this (ganking exploits from rooftops, etc.); I suspect that the main reason for doing this is the excessive spamming of their operations more so than the potential scamming that was going on.
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You have minors paying to play a game where they can gamble away in-game money in a casino. You have eBay sellers that are offering gold for $, and Blizzard doesnt' seem to be willing or able to stomp them all out. You have 50 states, and several countries, all with various laws on gambling and what Internet gambling really entails.
It was a disaster waiting to happen. I'm glad they got rid of it prior to the catastrophe, since the spam sucked. :)
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Bet money on Casino?
I have heard that a common tactic is that if you win, they go linkdead, then claim not to have seen your roll.
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Tal,Feb 18 2005, 07:01 AM Wrote:I must have been in IF at the wrong times because I didn't see the Casino spam as much. That being said from what I've read I can't say that I will miss them. :)
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I think it was pretty dependent on server.
When i was playing primarily on Lightbringer as alliance, there were times that it was awful anywhere near the AH because of casinos.
On Terenas/Horde I don't think I ever saw a single casino.
I think most of the compaints were on high-pop servers.
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Quark,Feb 18 2005, 10:11 AM Wrote:People either know this going into Casinos or need to take some basic math classes. In my opinion, the theory of casinos in WoW was perfectly fine. The practice of it got ugly not just because of the spam and scams, but the reactions to it as well. Too many people complained about the casinos after never playing them. Many claimed they were scammed (in general chat) when they hadn't even been on the same screen as the casino runner. :wacko:
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Fair enough. I suppose there were some that did it just for the fun of it... but there are plenty of naive, math-illiterate players out there. While being scammed by a casino is somewhat pathetic, it's still someone being scammed.
On that note... if further casinos are run "On the sly," what will players that were scammed by them (the dishonest ones) do? I can't help but wonder whether or not it would be harder for players to get compensation for being scammed at such things now that they shouldn't even exist. Will both perpetrators and victims be banned? I don't really know, but I do wonder...
I also wonder if dishonest Casinos are the reason that this practice was implemented. People complaining to GMs that their money was taken (which they ought to expect) is enough of a reason to just ban the whole ordeal.
This is pure speculation, but hey, I can't help it, and I wonder if I'm seeing anywhere near the root of the issue...
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Raziel,Feb 18 2005, 10:55 AM Wrote:Bet money on Casino?
I have heard that a common tactic is that if you win, they go linkdead, then claim not to have seen your roll.
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I never bet at a WoW casino though; nobody was running craps.
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Professor Frink,Feb 20 2005, 05:04 AM Wrote:I never bet at a WoW casino though; nobody was running craps.
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*nods*
Craps is the best, most fun game for my casino dollar.
As for the rest, PT Barnum was right.
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