Guns, Butter, and Led Zepplin

[Guest]

Clumsy = Honest.


I mean she was honest in showing her true feelings - I dont mean she was correct. I find it disturbing the someone obviously slip and shows a true inner bias and people are more interested in the fact that it was a mistake rather than her flawed opinion.

[Guest]

To be fair - if ever there was a fair case for eminent domain being used do condemn and seize property its when the property is only accessable because the goverment has pumped all the water out of it.

Im not agreeing with much of whats going on, but I disagree on that one point.

[Occhidiangela]

Occhi, this country is my home.  Don't pick nits.

Two, the Red Cross is NOT in New Orleans. Read the press release. You didn't bother clicking the link to the Red Cross? Red Cross is all over other areas, but they are expressly forbidden to enter New Orleans. And they are pretty upset about it.

Right. I see your nitpicking on "in New Orleans" versus "around the area helping out in secure areas." Understand where I misunderstood what you were trying to get across.

Red Cross is an NGO. Operates on suffrance of Government forces. Standard disaster relief procedures, internationally, for US forces.

As to the rest, divining intent from action, and action from intent, particularly from sketchy information, is a hazardous guessing game.

It's what got the US into Iraq. :P

That said, I'll keep a weather eye out. I don't doubt that any number of folks are trying to prevent certain embarassing tidbits of information out. Trouble is, over time, it will all come out.

A matter of when, not if.

I still contend, Doc, that now is NOT the time for armed insurrection. Then again, if I lived in the area around New Orleans, I might possibly feel differently.

Here's an idea no one will bother to pursue:

Take those Mexican soldiers who have reportedly been sent to assist, and assign them the task of excorting, at gunpoint, a few thousand illegal aliens who reside in the Greater New Orleans area . . . back to Mexico and points south.

Hmm, need to order a new tinfoil hat . . . :P

Occhi

[Doc]

Right.  I see your nitpicking on "in New Orleans" versus "around the area helping out in secure areas."  Understand where I misunderstood what you were trying to get across.

Red Cross is an NGO.  Operates on suffrance of Government forces.  Standard disaster relief procedures, internationally, for US forces.

As to the rest, divining intent from action, and action from intent, particularly from sketchy information, is a hazardous guessing game.

It's what got the US into Iraq.  :P

That said, I'll keep a weather eye out.  I don't doubt that any number of folks are trying to prevent certain embarassing tidbits of information out.  Trouble is, over time, it will all come out. 

A matter of when, not if.

I still contend, Doc, that now is NOT the time for armed insurrection.  Then again, if I lived in the area around New Orleans, I might possibly feel differently.

Here's an idea no one will bother to pursue:

Take those Mexican soldiers who have reportedly been sent to assist, and assign them the task of excorting, at gunpoint, a few thousand illegal aliens who reside in the Greater New Orleans area . . . back to Mexico and points south.

Hmm, need to order a new tinfoil hat . . .  :P

Occhi
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There is illegal stuff happening right NOW that people know about. And nothing is being done about it. It's not a matter of proving it... It's right there in the open. Like the theft of weapons from the citizens.

Liberty every now and then needs to be watered with blood. A long time ago, the Brits sought to deprive the American Colonies of arms. Soldiers were sent around to collect all arms and weapons from the farmers and what not. A group of poorly armed and poorly organised militia got together, and got beat down for standing up to the Brits. A better armed and better organised militia got together and sent the Brits packing in to the hills and a revolution started. Out of all the crimes that the British committed, depriving an entire nation of arms was the blackest. (Quoted from Ghandi)

If you take the guns away, you take away Democracy. A gun ensures a citizen has a voice.

[Swiss Mercenary]

To be fair - if ever there was a fair case for eminent domain being used do condemn and seize property its when the property is only accessable because the goverment has pumped all the water out of it.

I'd agree with that, if the government wasn't using the tax money that the property owners have an obligation to fork up every month to pay for the said pumping.

You're making it sound as if the government owes nothing to a taxpaying citisen.

[Occhidiangela]

If you take the guns away, you take away Democracy. A gun ensures a citizen has a voice.
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Not arguing against that, I concur. I also wonder why the folks involved are not resorting to 'cold dead fingers' approach. Don't know enough, obviously.

As to other Amendments, check out an interesting Free Press issue

New Orleans TV Photojournalists Could Lose Their Jobs

(September 6, 2005) – As if the hardship of enduring Hurricane Katrina and then covering the almost-unbelievable devastation in the storm's aftermath wasn't enough, many television photojournalists in New Orleans and along the Gulf Coast are learning that shortly they could also be out of a job.
Corporate television owners are apparently trying to determine if there's going to be anyone doing business in New Orleans in the near future who will buy television advertising. If not, without advertising revenue the corporations will have to foot the entire cost of operating a television station in the devastated market - a tremendous expense that could pull down revenues from their other markets, a cost that most owners are probably going to be unwilling to bear...

So, it appears that money trumps principle. Journalism, in the 21st century, is exposed once again as a farce, as a business, and not as a servant of freedom.

Occhi

[Swiss Mercenary]

Not arguing against that, I concur. 

Oddly enough, my old anti-assault weapons-in-the-hands-of-civilians argument was based on the claim that "As a civilised society, we have crawled out of the stone age."

If anything, NO has demonstrated to me that it is certainly not the case. A slap on the side of the head for past naivety? How's this for a flip-flop to pro-arms? :(

[Guest]

Most tax paying citizens arent in NO. Sure if only the taxes from NO were being used then it would be different.

Thats not the case. They are using everyones money to fix the city. If some houses need to go to help the majority its fair. It will be silly to spend everyones money on houses that are unsafe to live in.

[Swiss Mercenary]

Thats not the case. They are using everyones money to fix the city.

Yes, which just happens to be a key component of "Giving a damn when some really unfortunate tragedy happens to your neighbour. Because, you know, wouldn't you need help, if it happened to you."

I'd call it 'Socialism', but its such a dirty word in the US these days, you know.

And if you don't see redeeming qualities in this application of it, then would you mayhaps prefer the "Every man for himself" system? That was working out real nice in NO, back when the looters and gangs were having a go at it.

[Doc]

Not arguing against that, I concur.  I also wonder why the folks involved are not resorting to 'cold dead fingers' approach.  Don't know enough, obviously.

As to other Amendments, check out an interesting Free Press issue
So, it appears that money trumps principle.  Journalism, in the 21st century, is exposed once again as a farce, as a business, and not as a servant of freedom.

Occhi
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Occhi, there are pictures on the net of the cold dead fingers approach. These are men that are the victims of armed robbery, victims, but they are being labeled as criminals for not turning over their weapons so both the police and the gangs bully them around with no reprisal.

And for Swiss Mercenary. I own assault rifles of all kinds. Machine guns of all make and model. Full auto machine guns of all kinds. Pistols, revolvers, machine pistols, rifles, a grabbag assortment of grenade launchers, and as of late, since they are a so cheap on the market (100 bucks when bought in lots) Mosin-Nagant M38's. (Occhi, if you don't know what this is, I shall have to lash you with a wet noodle) And I have an obcene pile of ammo. Infact, it is so large that I have been hassled as of late by ATF type agents wanting to know more about my stockpile of weapons and ammo... I'd really like to know just how they found out I had so much ammo... One of the stores or dealers must have ratted me out, nothing is sacred any more. Asshole bastards.

If civilization was to fall around me... And don't say that it can't, it happens... Just like it did a few weeks ago for the Gulf Coast... I would be a strong force of order. I could very easily equip and maintain a militia and keep order. People like me do this country a service by keeping these stockpiles.

Do you know why the Japanese never invaded America during WWII? They had elaborate plans to do so you know... One very wise Japanese officer said that there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass and people well trained in their use.

We need gun education again in this country. We have slipped up. We have allowed our citizens, and our children, to become pussified. Strong moral character is severely lacking. Limp wristed sissified Nancy boys have demonised guns entirely to much. And society has suffered.

But that is a rant for another post.

[Swiss Mercenary]

Do you know why the Japanese never invaded America during WWII? They had elaborate plans to do so you know... One very wise Japanese officer said that there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass and people well trained in their use.

I can't say I'm convinced by that - even with the attack on Pearl Harbour, the Japanese have failed to destroy the US aircraft carriers, and with the output of American industries, did not hold naval dominion for long.

[Guest]

Umm you dont get it.

Draining the water out of a house that is no longer fit to safely live in and letting people move back in is immoral/wrong, what ever you want to call it.

Condemning truely unsafe buildings is done in every American city by liberals and conservatives alike.

[Swiss Mercenary]

Umm you dont get it. 

Draining the water out of a house that is no longer fit to safely live in and letting people move back in is immoral/wrong, what ever you want to call it.

Condemning truely unsafe buildings is done in every American city by liberals and conservatives alike.
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Condemn and sieze

Of course the house has to be demolished. The problem comes around when the 'sieze' part starts getting a bit out of hand.

[Guest]

Heh - I agree with Doc.

[Doc]

Heh - I agree with Doc.
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Scary! About what exactly?

[Occhidiangela]

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/tele...rmath_25752.asp

Oh my.
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Sorry, but I had to laugh out loud at the CNN meme/wheeze. The author of that memo is a fatuous, lying sack of dogcrap.

CNN has never let a fact get in the way of their BS. Sorry, I compared what I knew on the operational side everyday for six months with what those $!!@%'s put on their shows. Ha.

That said, why not let them in to do their usual grisly, sensationalist crap? I mean, why stop now? The precedent has been set, ages ago, that they have access to all manner of crap to film and vomit forth via the TV screens of the world.

So, while he's an arse and as full of crap as a Christmas turkey, I see no reason for government to all of a sudden change it tune . . .

Unless the cover up is at the local level, and a deal is being cut to . . .

Anything is possible.

Occhi

[Guest]

Of course thats is - based on nothing.

[Roland]

Scary! About what exactly?
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Probably that we need more gun EDUCATION, less gun CONTROL, and lots less politicians.

Combine the former two, and I think you'll easily get the latter one. ;)

Ah, I await the day when I have my own stockpile of weaponry. It's really a shame I live in one of the most liberal states in the U.S. :P Massachusetts, Spirit of America - and yet these goddamn liberals are stripping that away more and more each day. Bah!

But as you said, that is another rant for another post.

[Guest]

Im sitting here twirling a six-shooter. :)

Its my only gun I dont keep bullets for. I bought it just keep it for gun play.

[Doc]

Im sitting here twirling a six-shooter. :)

Its my only gun I dont keep bullets for. I bought it just keep it for gun play.
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I fail to comprehend that statement or that line of thinking. :huh:

Revolvers are a gentleman's weapon. Every man should have one. And be well trained in it's use. He should also have a great deal of ammo for that revolver.

Please, go out and buy some much needed bullets for the one gun that you don't buy ammo for.