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YAY!
I mean, the jamming happens any way. A lot of people bringing jammers now to public places just to make people shut the hell up.
I know I do.
You can even buy jammers now that detect other jammers, so that way you don't have to waste your batteries. How nice.
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The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
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And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
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Doc,Mar 15 2006, 06:24 PM Wrote:YAY!
I mean, the jamming happens any way. A lot of people bringing jammers now to public places just to make people shut the hell up.
I know I do.
You can even buy jammers now that detect other jammers, so that way you don't have to waste your batteries. How nice.
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I hope you go to jail.
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Ghostiger,Mar 16 2006, 12:59 AM Wrote:I hope you go to jail.
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You might have phrased your dislike for cellphone jammers in a more polite way.
I don't like the idea of cellphone jammers. I only carry my cellphone with me when I am expecting an important call. If I am in a public place I keep it on vibrate.
After my dad suffered a heart attack, I kept my cellphone on me at all times to wait for updates from my mom. Thankfully he recovered, but if I found out that anyone was messing with my cellphone signal during that time I would have been all kinds of angry.
I don't have any beef with cellphone blocking movie theatres.
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03-16-2006, 06:53 AM
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DeeBye,Mar 16 2006, 07:40 AM Wrote:After my dad suffered a heart attack, I kept my cellphone on me at all times to wait for updates from my mom. Thankfully he recovered, but if I found out that anyone was messing with my cellphone signal during that time I would have been all kinds of angry.
I don't have any beef with cellphone blocking movie theatres. I do, for two reasons: First, I had been in a similar situation you described, and went to the theatre for some distraction which helped my stress level a lot. I wouldn't have done this if my cell phone would have been jammed there (I had it on vibrate, of course).
And second, jamming cell phones in movie theatres is kind of giving up, basically accepting that people have no manners and that you can do nothing about it. How should they learn good manners then? If in a theatre somebody's cell phone rings, this person immediately becomes the target of all kinds of angry remarks and social pressure from the rest of the audience. Sure, some people are not susceptible to this, but some people do learn from this kind of embarrasing moment and make sure that it will never happen again. Jamming cell phones would deny them that lesson.
-Kylearan
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DeeBye,Mar 16 2006, 01:40 AM Wrote:You might have phrased your dislike for cellphone jammers in a more polite way.
I don't like the idea of cellphone jammers. I only carry my cellphone with me when I am expecting an important call. If I am in a public place I keep it on vibrate.
After my dad suffered a heart attack, I kept my cellphone on me at all times to wait for updates from my mom. Thankfully he recovered, but if I found out that anyone was messing with my cellphone signal during that time I would have been all kinds of angry.
I don't have any beef with cellphone blocking movie theatres.
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No. I phrased it as intended. Doc just stated that he breaks the law and even seemed to brag about it.
In some cases I understand why people break the law, but I think this is just a case of selfishness on Docs part.
So I dont see anything wrong with telling Doc that I hope he pays for his crime.
I have no problem at all with movie theaters doing it if they would manage to get FCC permission.
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Kylearan,Mar 16 2006, 01:53 AM Wrote:second, jamming cell phones in movie theatres is kind of giving up, basically accepting that people have no manners
Jamming cell phones would deny them that lesson.
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No manners from some is a fair assumption to make. Lesson? Unless they're escorted out of the theatre, no lesson will be accepted.
I wouldn't mind cells jammed as long as there's a constant reminder. If you need an important call, don't be in the theatre. Of course, if theatres realize this, it may harm profits more than help.
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I am finding that I have to break the law less and less. A couple of places I frequent to eat have jammers. They may be doing so illegally, but they do it because the customers demand a better dining experience. And in one place, since the jammer has been installed, business has done nothing but gone up. And it's sort of common knowledge that a couple of these places are being jammed.
If not a jammer, all one has to do is place a fine wire mesh under the wall paper, and ground it. I think. Or something like that. Some places are "remodeling" to put in "legal" ways to jam cellphones.
Now, if only there was a baby jammer. Don't get me wrong, I love kids, but I want to savagely beat the ignorant dimwits that think bringing a squalling infant to a movie or to a fine dining establishment is a good idea. You can get away with that crap at McDonalds, but it's just wrong to do it in fine dining establishments.
One of the local golf courses I hear might be installing a series of jammers to get the rude dimwits off of the course that disrupt everything by talking on the phone constantly. It's a private club, and has a strict code of conduct, and they have been on the news saying the cell phone issue has got out of hand.
And, as an aside, cell jammers are getting better and better. Some of them look like diabetes blood sugar monitors. Some look like beepers. Some even look like cellphones, which is kind of funny when you think about it. For the fine gentleman, you can get cell jamming cufflinks. You can even buy a fine writing pen that jams signals.
Or, if you are a cheapskate, you can go to radioshack and buy everything you need to make one your self for about 20 dollars.
The genie is out of the bottle. The technology to jam is to readily available to the fed up public. The government now has little choice as I see it. It is going to happen anyway, so they might as well make it legal for businesses to protect their interests and create dead cell zones. It would be better this way, because then for liability purposes, they could post signs saying this is a dead cell zone, so that way ignorant doting soccer moms and people that think they are so much more important than everybody else and simply must be reached can go some place else that caters to them. (Which there will be a market for. Some business owner is going to have a sign saying cell phones welcome, and these pricks will be lined up to get in and scream at the top of their lungs to be heard over one another.)
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
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And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
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DeeBye,Mar 16 2006, 01:40 AM Wrote:You might have phrased your dislike for cellphone jammers in a more polite way.
I don't like the idea of cellphone jammers. I only carry my cellphone with me when I am expecting an important call. If I am in a public place I keep it on vibrate.
After my dad suffered a heart attack, I kept my cellphone on me at all times to wait for updates from my mom. Thankfully he recovered, but if I found out that anyone was messing with my cellphone signal during that time I would have been all kinds of angry.
I don't have any beef with cellphone blocking movie theatres.
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This illustrates my point. It should be made legal to jam, so that way people will know in advance. There will be signs informing people that signals are jammed. So that way they can avoid any trouble in advance if there is a real legitimate concern that they must be able to answer their phone.
As it is right now, there is not a lot of warning, and there are the few exceptions that are paying because of the rude ignorant masses. These few should not be lumped in and punished with the unwashed masses.
It is unfortunate that some people have to pay for others mistakes. It should not be this way. I hope that a better solution becomes available and soon.
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
"Isn't this where...."
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Doc,Mar 15 2006, 05:24 PM Wrote:Hollywood morons react like morons
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Why does Hollywood attribute falling movie attendance to cell phone annoyance in theaters? Could it be that they are putting out garbage? Could it be that DVD rental, TV, and other entertainment options are getting more attractive? FWIW, there are better uses of time than to pay for Hollywood's latest formula release.
Our local theater flashes a polite reminder, on the screen, to turn off cell phones before the feature rolls. Those who do not respect that should be escorted from the theater. If my cell phone is on vibrate, it bothers no one, and if I choose to I can see if I need to leave the theater to return a call, or not. If it is off, and I want to be left alone for a few hours in the theater, my voicemail catches me up when the picture is done.
Cell Phone jamming is not the answer. It is an intrusion on paying customers' choices. Thanks to the difficulty of getting through to theater management (the number you used to leave for the baby sitter) in an emergency -- thanks recorded message trees -- a cell phone contact is a useful way to get someone out of the theater without the old announcement problem.
My advice is: boycott any theater who uses jammers.
That'll learn 'em. :shuriken:
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Occhidiangela,Mar 16 2006, 12:14 PM Wrote:Weird approach to solving a problem.
Why does Hollywood attribute falling movie attendance to cell phone annoyance in theaters? Could it be that they are putting out garbage? Could it be that DVD rental, TV, and other entertainment options are getting more attractive? FWIW, there are better uses of time than to pay for Hollywood's latest formula release.
Our local theater flashes a polite reminder, on the screen, to turn off cell phones before the feature rolls. Those who do not respect that should be escorted from the theater. If my cell phone is on vibrate, it bothers no one, and if I choose to I can see if I need to leave the theater to return a call, or not. If it is off, and I want to be left alone for a few hours in the theater, my voicemail catches me up when the picture is done.
Cell Phone jamming is not the answer. It is an intrusion on paying customers' choices. Thanks to the difficulty of getting through to theater management (the number you used to leave for the baby sitter) in an emergency -- thanks recorded message trees -- a cell phone contact is a useful way to get someone out of the theater without the old announcement problem.
My advice is: boycott any theater who uses jammers.
That'll learn 'em. :shuriken:
Occhi
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If cell phone users boycott theatres that use jammers, I still get the interuption free movie experience I paid for. So that works for me, and the many others that can't stand somebody flapping their gums on the phone while we watch a movie.
Also, a boycott would leave the theatres less crowded. A good matinee might mean just a few folks, for a quiet private experience. Yay!
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
"Isn't this where...."
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Doc,Mar 16 2006, 11:41 AM Wrote:If cell phone users boycott theatres that use jammers, I still get the interuption free movie experience I paid for. So that works for me, and the many others that can't stand somebody flapping their gums on the phone while we watch a movie.
[right][snapback]104772[/snapback][/right] Never seen that happen.
Of course, I don't go to theaters more than twice a month, thanks to Hollywood's tendency to produce garbage.
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Occhidiangela,Mar 16 2006, 12:14 PM Wrote:Cell Phone jamming is not the answer. It is an intrusion on paying customers' choices. Thanks to the difficulty of getting through to theater management (the number you used to leave for the baby sitter) in an emergency -- thanks recorded message trees -- a cell phone contact is a useful way to get someone out of the theater without the old announcement problem.
My advice is: boycott any theater who uses jammers.
That'll learn 'em. :shuriken:
Occhi
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Thats silly. Phones ringing and people talking on them in theaters(and any resteurant better than McDonalds) are rude ass holes.
They could easily set the phone on silent and leave the room before answering but so many people dont.
The best solution would be to kick the people out when they answer the phone. But that would raise ticket prices because you would need a monitor.
Im happy with the jammer solution. Id rather be the paying cutomer they care about rather than some selfish parent who wont set his phone on silent.
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Ghostiger,Mar 16 2006, 10:41 PM Wrote:Thats silly. Phones ringing and people talking on them in theaters(and any resteurant better than McDonalds) are rude ass holes.
They could easily set the phone on silent and leave the room before answering but so many people dont.
The best solution would be to kick the people out when they answer the phone. But that would raise ticket prices because you would need a monitor.
Im happy with the jammer solution. Id rather be the paying cutomer they care about rather than some selfish parent who wont set his phone on silent.
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Ghost, that is entirely to reasonable and sensible for you... wow. You rake me over the coals and want me to go to jail, yet you want the very same thing that I want. I'm cornfused.
Either way, well said. Nice work.
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The bleeding hearts and artists
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Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
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Ghostiger,Mar 16 2006, 09:41 PM Wrote:Thats silly. Phones ringing and people talking on them in theaters(and any resteurant better than McDonalds) are rude ass holes.
They could easily set the phone on silent and leave the room before answering but so many people dont.
The best solution would be to kick the people out when they answer the phone. But that would raise ticket prices because you would need a monitor.
Im happy with the jammer solution. Id rather be the paying cutomer they care about rather than some selfish parent who wont set his phone on silent.
[right][snapback]104804[/snapback][/right] Does it occur to you that many people carrying cell phones, and behaving carelessly, are not parents? Are you aware that teen cell phone use is ubiquitous?
Glad to see you agree with the premise that one should set the phone on silent/vibrate. Sad to see you are willing to endorse draconian measures to address a problem of courtesy and manners.
Ben Franklin had some pointed comments for people with your outlook.
Occhi
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In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
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Occhidiangela,Mar 17 2006, 02:00 AM Wrote:Does it occur to you that many people carrying cell phones, and behaving carelessly, are not parents? Are you aware that teen cell phone use is ubiquitous?
Glad to see you agree with the premise that one should set the phone on silent/vibrate. Sad to see you are willing to endorse draconian measures to address a problem of courtesy and manners.
Ben Franklin had some pointed comments for people with your outlook.
Occhi
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Of course that occured to me - but I have little concern for the rights of teens in general so it wasnt worth mentioning.
I have been annoyed by all ages of people with cell phones, but since you picked parents to champion, I wanted to point out that I dont give them any special status to annoy me.
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Drasca,Mar 16 2006, 02:36 PM Wrote:No manners from some is a fair assumption to make. Lesson? Unless they're escorted out of the theatre, no lesson will be accepted.
[right][snapback]104749[/snapback][/right] I'm not so sure about that. It's the general principle behind the jamming idea that I'm worried about, that we give up on trying to show our surroundings what we think good manners are, that we stop putting peer pressure on others when they show rude behavior. Instead, we go the often easier path of removing their ability to show rude behavior in the first place (their cell phones can't ring anymore). Sure, that will get rid of the annoyance, but these same people will behave rudely in other situations again, not having learned just how many people will get mad at them if they fail to think what effect their actions have on others.
If someone starts using his/her cell phone in a movie theatre, a snide or witty remark can encourage other people to say something against the offender as well, and I have seen what an embarassing moment in public, or the scorn of the majority, can do to other people's behavior. <_<
Of course movie theatres don't care about educating the public, but I at least wouldn't like to see cell phone jammers there.
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Well, if we are going to go for public embarassment, how about we bring back the stocks?
Who has the rotten veggies?
See, people are rude now because it has become a crime to teach them manners. Long ago, somebody got all rude and uppity, and you would pull out a glove, slap the crap out of them, and say "I demand satisfaction." People behaved out of the fear of the consequences.
You can't just drag a rude person out of a theatre by their ear and instruct them in manners right there in the parking lot. It's against the law now.
There are no consequences for being rude. There is only having your cake and eating it to. Theatres and such very rarely ask somebody to leave. Personal liability and stuff like that. They could ask, but people that refuse to leave are going to have to be tossed out, and that might be just a little bit dangerous. Or wind up in a law suit. And the police aint going to do much. They are to busy with other things to come to a theatre and toss somebody out because they are just yapping away on their cell phone.
And if you are really unhappy about me using a jammer, I could just as easily turn to smashing cell phones under my heel. This is a means of non violent protest. No property damage, nobody hurt.
Of course, the really funny cell phone users are the ones you keep telling to turn off the damn phone, and they get fed up and say "Can't you see I am on the phone damnit! Shut up! How rude." In the middle of a crowded public place.
I'd very much like to shove that particular type of person's cell phone right up their nose.
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
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And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
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Doc,Mar 17 2006, 06:07 AM Wrote:And if you are really unhappy about me using a jammer, I could just as easily turn to smashing cell phones under my heel. This is a means of non violent protest. No property damage, nobody hurt.
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I'm confused on this one. Stomping a cellphone is a violent act that does inflict damage on property.
And as for telling people to leave a place of business my coworkers and I have done it on several occasions. If someone is disrupting our other patrons or our ability to serve people well they will be refused our business.
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jahcs,Mar 17 2006, 11:35 AM Wrote:I'm confused on this one. Stomping a cellphone is a violent act that does inflict damage on property.
And as for telling people to leave a place of business my coworkers and I have done it on several occasions. If someone is disrupting our other patrons or our ability to serve people well they will be refused our business.
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Using a jammer is a means of non violent protest. Stomping it under my heel is not.
I thought I had worded it clear, but I guess I did not. I hope this clears any confusion.
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
"Isn't this where...."
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