Arena system details

[Concillian]

Drysc posted some details on how the arena system is currently planned out. I missed a few days and had heard of the arena system but hadn't seen much on useful details until now.

<span style="color:#33CCFF">We've kept a lot in mind while creating the arena system to help make it as centered on player skill as possible, and not time invested. We're looking to help create a place where players can track their achievements and improvements in a fun PvP environment. We're no strangers to the tactics and extent at which players will take a game to help ensure they reach their goal sooner or easier. It can however be minimized by simplifying a system so that the possible benefits available to a player are specific and tangible to everyone, and that the potential for exploitation is reduced as much as possible. With a complex system there will always be that something extra that can give you an edge over someone else, it's the size and availability of the edge that makes the difference though. We think we're making some great progress in creating place where players can come and test their PvP skill against others, have fun, and get some pretty cool rewards out of it too.

Just because you asked, here's some more information on the arena system. Hopefully this quells some of your concerns, and squashes a few assumptions. Please keep in mind that this information is subject to change, but these are our current plans for the PvP Arena system in The Burning Crusade expansion.

• When a player enters an arena battle, all buffs and conjured items are purged/deleted. This is done to ensure no outside buffs or items from members outside of your team are able to be used in an arena battle.
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• No consumables other than bandages and conjured items can be used while in the arena. There will be a waiting area similar to the current battlegrounds where players on the team will be able to conjure items and cast buffs.
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• Abilities/spells/items with cooldowns longer than 15 minutes cannot be used while in the arena.
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• Each arena team will be given a rating, and will be matched up in the arena queue against teams of a similar rating (matching within that specific cross-realm battlegroup). As time progresses the matching system will broaden its search up to a limit if a closely rated team cannot be found.
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• Ratings adjustments are made in the same way that ELO ratings adjustments are made. This system works by adjusting each arena team's rating from a specific match based on the rating of the team they are up against. If a team wins against a team of a higher rating, the increase of their arena rating would be much higher than if they had won against a team of a lower rating. This system will help promote players improving their skill and besting teams which may have previously held the top spots.
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• At the end of each week, characters receive arena points based on their team's rating. A team must have fought a minimum number of battles for the week, which we have announced as currently set to 10 games. A player must have played in at least 30% of the team's battles that week in order to be eligible to receive arena points. Each eligible player will then receive a fraction of the teams total awarded points to spend on arena rewards.
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• Players may spend their points on arena rewards, or save their points until they have enough to get the rewards they desire.
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• There is a limit to the number of points a player can stockpile, which is currently planned to be as high as the most expensive item.
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• At the end of a season, players on a team are given a title based on their team's relative position on the ladder which will last through the next arena season.<>
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There are still some questions... Like how is a team defined? But this does clear up a lot. Looks interesting.

And you know it's an important thread if Kalgan gives some input, this is a summary of several posts from Kalgan:

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• In addition, you can use spells/abilities that require reagents if you so choose (as long as they still meet the other criteria).
  So, for example, Blind and Prayer of Fortitude can be used, while Reincarnation cannot (due to its cooldown).
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• At the end of each week, each character receives an equal number of the points. For characters that did not play in at least 30% of the battles, the points are lost.
  So no, there shouldn't be any way to inflate the number of points any single player on the team receives.
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• You will not see the composition of the enemy team until the battle has begun.
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• bombs and grenades are considered consumables.<>
  
• It's more accurate to say the point limit is approximately equal to the most expensive item (slightly higher)<>
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Mention of poisons was also specifically endorsed.

Forgot to link to the thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.a...l&T=9552122&P=1

And here is a link to the wikipedia page on ELO, the proposed rating system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating

There are blue replies throughout pages 2-5 at least, I've highlighted the important ones. Current page count is 6, but in an hour I'm guessing more like 20-30.

[lemekim]

Drysc posted some details on how the arena system is currently planned out. I missed a few days and had heard of the arena system but hadn't seen much on useful details until now.


There are still some questions... Like how is a team defined? But this does clear up a lot. Looks interesting.

And you know it's an important thread if Kalgan gives some input, this is a summary of several posts from Kalgan:

Mention of poisons was also specifically endorsed.

Forgot to link to the thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.a...l&T=9552122&P=1

And here is a link to the wikipedia page on ELO, the proposed rating system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating

There are blue replies throughout pages 2-5 at least, I've highlighted the important ones. Current page count is 6, but in an hour I'm guessing more like 20-30.

For once, it seems like they thought this through. Minimum consumables/pots means that one does not have to spend hundreds of gold each week just to stay on top. Minimum cooldowns lets people fight more then once per hour. And minimum outside buffs means people will not spend hours leveling up alt warlocks/buffers for slight advantage in the match. Get in, get a good game, get out. Simple and fun. Kudos.

[Descended]

The definition of a 'team' is answered in this Jeff Kaplan interview. Scroll down to the answer to the question "So, tell me how the teams will work?"

[Watto44]

I'm very excited by all this stuff. (The release of all those previews has got me very excited.) This coupled with a slight evening out of the gear disparity we should see after the expansion goes live will make PvP most enjoyable. (I might even be able to get my hands on one of those nice feral weapons.):)

I am curious to see if there's any cross over between kills/pvp-stuff done outside of the arena and point accumulation.

If you're interested to see how a system like this works, play Guild Wars. It's almost identical from what I've seen and read.

[Warlock]

Wow.

Major point in favour - you can play alts without wrecking any chance of progress with your main.

Optimum for equipment gain would seem to be having a regular team that playing arena's together and only together. Rotating players means spreading the same number of points over more characters, missing team arena fights means getting a smaller percentage of the total, fighting more often won't improve the points earnt.

[Icebird]

This sounds very promising. They seem to have spent a lot of time observing the weaknesses in the present PvP system. Battlegroups + skilled based matchups should make for a lot more even matches. It should certainly kill the Malygos practice of steamrollering bad teams and /afking away from good ones (mostly done by teh Horde who can afford to due to the differences in queue times).

Chris

[Concillian]

Optimum for equipment gain would seem to be having a regular team that playing arena's together and only together. Rotating players means spreading the same number of points over more characters, missing team arena fights means getting a smaller percentage of the total, fighting more often won't improve the points earnt.

I got the impression that everyone on the team gets the same number of points regardless, not that they get distributed among players.

I left out this comment from Kalgan:

<span style="color:#33CCFF">At the end of each week, each character receives an equal number of the points. For characters that did not play in at least 30% of the battles, the points are lost.

So no, there shouldn't be any way to inflate the number of points any single player on the team receives.

[Monkey]

I got the impression that everyone on the team gets the same number of points regardless, not that they get distributed among players.

I left out this comment from Kalgan:

That was my impression as well. Instead of the current honor system method where the honor is divided among the team members, the arena system will reward points Y to all 'active' members of Team N for achieving a standing Q.

I have a question about soul shards and warlocks; Because all conjurable items are purged, I could see easily more shards in startup costs (healthstones, spell/fire stones) than there are opposing players to gain shards. At the start of the next match, whatever remains of that sunk cost evaporates...POOF. Meanwhile, you're also using shadowburn and/or re-summoning pets. Seems like this could will reintroduce the necessity of shard farming to warlocks for PvP.

Maybe they could just grant warlocks the same number of shards at the end of the match as the 'lock had at the beginning of the match?



Today's Monkey Post was brought to you by the letters N, Q, and the number Y.

[Watto44]

From the WoW front page: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/insider/09/interview.xml

I haven't finished reading it yet, but it seems mostly PR guff at the moment, although the first few questions are bringing back some memories. /sniffle