08-11-2004, 02:54 AM
That's "adeyke" <_<.
And the situation is entirely different.
For the MF situation, we have a very good understanding of how drops work. It's been researched and tested and such. However, some said that their drops became worse with time. They said that there must be some kind of counter that tracks how often you kill something to make the drops worse with time. This is inconsistent with our understanding of the drops, and Jarulf himself said there was no counter. However, they persisted, even though they really had no evidence other than unreliable anecdotes. They failed to give anything more substantial than "it seems that way to me." Furthermore, the reports were inconsistent about just what was happening, or why. And any trends could easily be explained by perception errors or just the effects of randomness. In such a case, it's much more rational to believe the established, researched, documented system than the supposed system without any evidence, without any details, and without any sort of explanation other than "drops get worse if you kill the same monster a lot."
As for the other situation... We know they're trying to make a profit. We know that it's much faster to cheat to get good items than to get them honestly. We know that cheating will get you more money than legitimate playing could. We know that many people who would buy items wouldn't care if they're legit or not. We know that there's a significant market for dirty items. We know that many stores do sell items that are absolutely, postively dupes (try googling for "blood whorl" or "imp shanks", for example). We know that some item selling sites have no sense of ethics, as they use spam bots to advertise their sites. Now, given all this, don't you think it's rational to be just a bit wary of item selling sites?
How are those situations even vaguely similar?
Accepting that there is "a bugger dealie thingie that makes your mf go down every time you kill Meph" would mean accepting an unsupported rumour over established knowledge. Accepting that a site sells dupes or botted items needs no such leap of faith. Many sites do sell dirty items, so one more that does so would really not be unusual.
And the dirty item sites are often quite obvious. Any time there's a rare item with a quantity field, they're dealing in dupes, period. Even without those, it should be possible to tell if they have too many items to possibly have obtained legally. For example, 40/15 jewels are so extraordinarily rare that you couldn't possibly have those as a stock item, unless they're dirty. And if they have any sort of FAQ or info page, those can be quite informative.
So we do know without a shadow of a doubt that many item sites sell dirty items. What isn't known is if there's an item site that really does sell only legit items (without any dupes, bots, or hacks of any sort involved anywhere in the process). I wouldn't buy an item even from such a site, so I haven't exactly been looking.
Regardless, you are completely misapplying my argument.
And the situation is entirely different.
For the MF situation, we have a very good understanding of how drops work. It's been researched and tested and such. However, some said that their drops became worse with time. They said that there must be some kind of counter that tracks how often you kill something to make the drops worse with time. This is inconsistent with our understanding of the drops, and Jarulf himself said there was no counter. However, they persisted, even though they really had no evidence other than unreliable anecdotes. They failed to give anything more substantial than "it seems that way to me." Furthermore, the reports were inconsistent about just what was happening, or why. And any trends could easily be explained by perception errors or just the effects of randomness. In such a case, it's much more rational to believe the established, researched, documented system than the supposed system without any evidence, without any details, and without any sort of explanation other than "drops get worse if you kill the same monster a lot."
As for the other situation... We know they're trying to make a profit. We know that it's much faster to cheat to get good items than to get them honestly. We know that cheating will get you more money than legitimate playing could. We know that many people who would buy items wouldn't care if they're legit or not. We know that there's a significant market for dirty items. We know that many stores do sell items that are absolutely, postively dupes (try googling for "blood whorl" or "imp shanks", for example). We know that some item selling sites have no sense of ethics, as they use spam bots to advertise their sites. Now, given all this, don't you think it's rational to be just a bit wary of item selling sites?
How are those situations even vaguely similar?
Accepting that there is "a bugger dealie thingie that makes your mf go down every time you kill Meph" would mean accepting an unsupported rumour over established knowledge. Accepting that a site sells dupes or botted items needs no such leap of faith. Many sites do sell dirty items, so one more that does so would really not be unusual.
And the dirty item sites are often quite obvious. Any time there's a rare item with a quantity field, they're dealing in dupes, period. Even without those, it should be possible to tell if they have too many items to possibly have obtained legally. For example, 40/15 jewels are so extraordinarily rare that you couldn't possibly have those as a stock item, unless they're dirty. And if they have any sort of FAQ or info page, those can be quite informative.
So we do know without a shadow of a doubt that many item sites sell dirty items. What isn't known is if there's an item site that really does sell only legit items (without any dupes, bots, or hacks of any sort involved anywhere in the process). I wouldn't buy an item even from such a site, so I haven't exactly been looking.
Regardless, you are completely misapplying my argument.