This Thing You Call Aggro.

[Brista]

I've been trying to talk about the dot.

Yes, that's what I've taken you to mean

While I've saved instances with fear, I've also wiped them too -- but sometimes then I use it when there's nothing else to lose.

And that's my point. The way you come across - whether it's a fair reflection of what you think and how you act in game I don't know - is that a tactically correct use by a Hunter of Serpent Sting that had a good effect in the play would result in a kick and a branding of "bad hunter"

Sometimes as well players take calculated risks. I might shoot something and dot it to generate threat faster since both the mage and the priest seem to be in trouble. In fact the mage could have sheeped it had I just left it alone, or maybe me pulling it off them would have saved them

One rule is you always let maximum CC options play out and then warriors pull aggro.

1) Maximum CC options will often result in all mobs CC-ed and no mobs being killed.
2) Not every group has warriors

Pedantry aside, a hunter pulling an add off a healer and then soloing it is CC. I suspect you're underestimating the survivability of a Spirit Bond Hunter with a 0.7 speed pet saving all mana for Improved Mend Pet and ping-ponging aggro between self and pet. In any event if the hunter can solo it that's one mob that won't eat the healer, so cc at the price of neutralising the hunter. Seduce and Sheep do not work on every type of mob. Damage, afaik, does

You assume its a single datum. I've had this hunter problem repeatedly.

It sounds to me like the reason you have this problem repeatedly is because you're making it a problem regardless of whether or not it is tactically unsound. If you said to me in a group let me handle humanoids on the healer with Seduce, you stay on the main target I'd happily oblige. And would Serpent Sting the main target. And would, presumably, get kicked

If you're having problems convincing Hunters to let you handle the strays then I agree that's strange and rather illogical. I'm certainly not advocating dotting Sheep nor am I requesting that Hunters should be encouraged to spend the battle soloing a stray rather than supporting the Main Assist

Rogues I've played with have since stopped, because I've been playing with higher quality rogue players.

Stopped what? Stopped using Garrotte and Rupture? Do you kick them if they do? Against a heavily armoured opponent they are losing damage and adding excess immediate threat by eschewing these attacks.

The good hunters I've been playing recently have avoided use of venom sting dots too.

This seems circular. You define good hunter as someone who doesn't use Serpent Sting and enforce it. You get some idiots who persist in using it on stuff that the group wants to seduce/sheep. You get some good little boys who do as they're told and don't dot. And you get the really expert Hunters who use all their skills appropriately but who avoid your groups like the plague ;)

Heh, well maybe not but do you see my point? It does seem to me that you are enforcing mediocrity

Oh, by universal damage debuff increase, I mean expose armor, sunder, and curse of elements/shadows, which increases damage for everyone. Sunder increases all physical damage, Curse of _lower resist here_  increases all damage of that type.

Ah I see thanks for the clarification

That's a universal damage increase. Venom sting or any dot debuff by comparison is doing nil damage for the limited debuff slots available.

Again you use words sloppily. "Nil" does not mean 490 damage over 15 seconds. It means zero damage over 15 seconds. (490 is approximately the same threat as a 700ish heal, meaning it may let the Priest throw an extra Heal without pulling the mob back from me). Curse of elements/shadow does not increase damage for everyone. It increases damage for players using those type of attacks.

While there may be situations where the 8 debuff limit is a problem I don't often find this to be true in 5 man groups and I've never found it to be true when I pull a stray off the healer. In fact many times I've pulled it and killed it with the only debuffs being Serpent Sting and the even more marginal Hunter's Mark

I think all I would ask is that you discuss it with people in a more open-minded way. This digression started with you mentioning bad hunters using dots. I hope you see that seeing a dot is not proof of an idiot :)