This Thing You Call Aggro.

[Brista]

Elites don't die fast.

Faster is not synonymous with fast. A tortoise is faster than a snail, neither is fast

The drawback is that you may not be able to generate aggro enough to pull it off
He shouldn't have been trying to attack that CC'able target at all. Its a duh moment if both seduce and sheep are available.

OK, you're jumping back from a generalisation to the specific bad experience you suffered again. Do you remember when you said that the group should agree on one person doing the cc if a mob goes for the healer? I'm saying if the one person is the hunter then Serpent Sting is useful and any other abilities from any other class are not indicated because the group has agreed that it's not their job.

Maybe in your groups Mages and Warlocks always undertake cc responsibilities. I guess your groups only fight Humanoid mobs. ;)

Hunters refusing to listen to reason and attacking anyway would be kicked from my groups.

Why Hunters specifically? Why not kick any one who refuses to listen and screws up the party? Such as a Mage trying to sheep a mob a hunter is engaging

Beyond that, hunters have many options to disengage from targets. FD, Disengage, scatter, wing clip, concussion, etc.

Seems a poor option. Mob attacks healer. Hunter raises his aggro above the healer's. Mob attacks Hunter. Hunter zeroes his aggro. Mob attacks healer again. If I were to peel a mob off a healer with damage I wouldn't disengage since I have no way of knowing whether the healer is second on the mob's hate list

We tell him stop attacking, he doesn't listen. Do we really want a someone solo'ing in our party?

I played with a Warlock once. He had bad pet control. We wiped. I played with another one. He used Fear stupidly. We wiped. I played with another one, he kept using Life tap and the healers spent an excessive amount of mana healing him. We wiped

From these I could extrapolate a No Pets, No Fear, No Life Tap set of rules for Warlocks I invite. Because I had a bad experience. Once.

But it's not really about the skills, it's about the player.

Lol. You'll quickly find different soon. You simply won't either be able to absorb damage or dish out damage fast enough, or damage-control the mob so it won't do damage to others through normal attacks.

To grab aggro I only have to do more threat with damage than the healer has gained by healing. It's actually not level dependent. If the healer has been conservative with heals it may not be hard at all to grab aggro. If the healer has grabbed aggro by doing 1000 points of healing I need to do about 600 damage to grab aggro. This has nothing to do with the stats of whatever we're fighting

Let me think. SS... Takes up a debuff slot (pushing other useful debuffs off),

Very rarely an issue in 5 man groups, especially against a mob that isn't the main target

doesn't help universal damage

I have no idea what you mean here. I'm not trying to damage the universe, I'm trying to damage my mob :)

and prevents CC

and prevents CC that is moot in any case if I've decided I'm going to attack the mob until it dies (barring a change of mind, but as you've realised hunters have an early warning against patrols)

... vs what? a very incrimental amount of damage that doesn't even generate a lot of hate?

I don't think you know either how to spell or to use the word incremental. I'm guessing the word you wanted here was "small". It is simply more damage. It is extra damage on top of standard autoshoot, that doesn't impair other timers. I will always do less damage if I don't use SS than if I do. It generates exactly the same hate as other forms of damage do, afaik. 200 damage from SS is the same threat as 200 damage from autoshot

The negatives greatly outweigh the positives here buddy.

Well we disagree

Refs blow whistles and make call red on fouls. I do the same. Sting is universally bad to open with. Mid battle when a MA has already engaged, fine. Not really a big deal.

That's simply sad. Not only is your opinion mistaken, and apparently based on watching bad hunters rather than playing one but it doesn't sound like you'll ever allow yourself the opportunity to experience a good hunter since it sounds like you'll boot anyone trying stuff that mirrors something you've a bad hunter do. In fact if you see a bad hunter player do something it may well be they're attempting to do something they've seen a good hunter do that worked well but they lack the finesse to do it themselves

As for seeing yourself as an authority figure in a group I think you're marginalising yourself. I have no idea what the demographics on your server are like. On my server the leading elite Horde guild is gathering a growing reputation for arrogance and a lot of people are avoiding grouping with them. I'm on the Maelstrom, a fairly new EU server. Despite being far ahead of all the other guilds I have a sneaking suspicion that this uber guild isn't going to be the guild that does Onyxia first

I think I can see why this Hunter in your group didn't listen to you. Sometimes even if someone's right they're so annoying that you don't care

Try to steal aggro when you're a class inefficient at aggro-theft

High dps, Distracting shot, fast attacking pet, healer aggro on both pet and me and pet Growl

and unable to kill elite mobs

You've never played a hunter have you? :)

Its not going to fly buddy.

I honestly think it's your loss. The game's fairly easy so if you forbid innovation with the aim of making sure that everyone is vestigially competent that's a perfectly viable strategy. All you really need for most instance runs is a decent tank, a healer who pays attention and everyone else not to screw things up. It isn't the most fun way to play the game though

Edit: I've messed up the quotes here but I can't see where. Could some eagle-eyed person let me know if you see where I've gone wrong and I'll fix it :blush: