This Thing You Call Aggro.

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Personally, I rather you don't do this. At least no serpent sting or dots. FD Freeze trap would be ideal. However, this depends on your group composition.

In 5 man LBRS, a hunter kept trying to venom sting, and it guaranteed extra wipes.

1) Nothing really 'eats' a good healer with their hot button on fade.
2) We had two CC'ers, plus Hunter FD + Freeze trap combo mid battle if he ever was smarter.

When anything moved the least bit toward the healer, the hunter tried to solo. BAD IDEA. Our mage and I were trying to CC the sucker, especially previously sapped/poly'ed high priority targets.

Still, its a judgement call between your party composition and battle situation. If no CC's are ever coming and there's no fade...

But preferably, no serpent please. Scatter and freeze trap if you really want to peel. That's a lot safer.
Hunters have track everything on their radar. They're first line of recon against incoming mobs. This feature is more important in some places than others. PvP areas is the most obvious, but anywhere where there's a high priority patrol like MC, DM, or just a lot of patrols like Scholo. . . hunters should be pinging the radar like mad and announcing what's incoming.
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OK I see what you're saying but I disagree

Basically you had one idiot using a dot from which you're inferring dot is always the wrong move

I certainly agree that it should be one specific person to help the healer. But if the specific person is the hunter then either killing the mob or freezing it are both viable methods. FD/Freeze depends on the mob standing on a particular patch of ground. Unless you are playing with someone you group with a lot and/or are on Teamspeak with your chances of getting a panicking healer to lead a mob onto the trap are rather low. What seems more likely is you'll run to the mob, FD, lay the trap and find the healer has retreated a bit taking his mob with him and your FD is now on cooldown. I haven't tried an FD/Freeze macro yet (and probably should do), that may improve it a bit.

Also, if we've agreed it should be me helping the healer in this situation, what on earth are you doing using Seduce on the mob? It's not your job

Sending the pet in and killing it as fast as possible is the alternative. The drawback is that you may not be able to generate aggro enough to pull it off the healer, especially if the healer continues to heal both himself and the tank. Since it's about generating damage and threat as fast as possible it doesn't make sense to exclude one of your damage options. Serpent Sting is an advantage. If the Hunter is trying to kill something then Seduce and Sheep are out anyway. Even without Serpent Sting with the 0.7 attack speed pet (1.0 pet with Frenzy) and the hunter shooting it you won't CC it once the Hunter is in kill-destroy mode. I don't really buy the notion that CC is required because the hunter can't perform this role without dying. My hunter is level 48 so perhaps I won't be as strong against an even level elite later as I am now but currently I'd be very confident in doing this role

It does slightly concern me that from one very bad experience with a poor player you've extrapolated a theory that Serpent Sting is always contra-indicated regardless of the tactical situation. If when you see the debuff you start screaming "bad hunter" you're adding considerably to the potential for the group to fall apart

I much prefer mjdoom's approach of try it and see if it works. If I joined someone's group and got an apparently arbitrary no dots rule I'd be mildly annoyed. Not annoyed enough to leave probably but I'd feel a bit insulted that a catch-all rule has been implemented apparently on the assumption that all hunters are idiots. Even if you're right, you're not persuading people. If Serpent Sting is an utter disaster in any circumstances in UBRS and I do UBRS in your group, I will never discover this for myself and probably never accept it. I think you'd be more effective to convince and educate people rather than adopt a blanket "think for yourself? you're out!" approach. Still my hunter swallows a lot that would have one of my healers leaving the group

1) Nothing really 'eats' a good healer with their hot button on fade.

????

1) Fade doesn't always work
2) Fade has a fairly long cooldown
3) Not all good healers are Priests