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Quote:No more "class reviews", please. Just tweak a class here and there. Prot could use something, yes.

Not a full on review, but definite look at trees for bad talents or talents that need tweaking.

Quote:Won't disagree, but it appears Blizzard is realizing they stressed aggro too hard in BWL. Most of what I've seen/heard post-BWL involves aggro being wiped/reduced on everyone, thus being a Ragnaros-like state for all instead of just melee.

It would help though in non-raid situations as well (like running 5 man instances). All of the DPS classes have some form of aggro reducer (Hunters have FD, Rogues Feint and Vanish, Mages the various talents across most the trees) that are either class skills or easy to get talents. Master Demonologist requires you to have an Imp out to get a threat reduction (any other demon means no threat reduction) and it requires you to go 30 points into Demonology which has some utilities, but is mostly soloing/PvP (not really group or Raid friendly).

Even if they are making Aggro less of a problem in raids after BWL, it still an issue in 5 man situations.

Quote:Agreed. It's a tree that's supposed to mainly benefit tanking, yet they don't want Paladins to effectively tank (endgame). That's a conundrum.

I think Blizzard just has to get over it and just allow for the possibility for Paladins to tank. They're already limited by the amount of mana they have for purposes of holding aggro (mana only goes down and is difficult to renew during the fight, while rage is renewable and continues to increase during the fight)

Quote:Once past the initial, semi-complete, review ... I think it was great. Only problems are small things in Arcane and the aggro talents should be multiplicative, not additive

That's why I said it was a love/hate thing involving the review. I've heard an equal number of Mages love it as I've heard hate it. I haven't heard a Mage yet take a middle ground view on the review.

Quote:I'm okay with some trees not being up to spec for raiding, as long as they have their uses somewhere.

True, but it would be additional DPS for the raid and it would be from a source that would effectively be aggro free (with growl turned off, there's no way a pet is going to pull aggro over an active tank).

Quote:Anyone could use a tweak here or there.

Yep, but some need more than a tweak, they need to have one tree relooked at.
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