07-17-2006, 06:04 AM
Be careful with your scanning. False positives are easily obtained. For example:
This is possible with the Warrior's repair skill in conjunction with hidden shrines, and is occasionally used to "legitimately" make it indestructible by carrying the duration to 255.
Watch out for this one too. Most scanners have the odd effect of not completely refreshing, so when a character moves an item, say from hand to inventory, the scanner reads it as a duplicate. You should also watch for the possibility of "common dupes", though that isn't as likely with the less common items. Sometimes the Battle.net (Diablo?) engine will generate a duplicate item ID completely legitimately.
That's rather extreme. If you have a lack of trust this deep, I must really question where your community is taking you.
I play publicly, or did a week ago. And believe it or not, there ARE still newer players. I watched two become corrupted before my eyes, helpless to do anything about the lure of powerful items. I explained to one or two what legitimacy was, and have no idea if it took root. I met a few players that appeared to be legitimate, albeit at low level. I even met some cheaters who were good people, as antithetical as that may seem to some of you. The type that cheat enough to leave the game looking at least somewhat like what it was intended to. None of them used the typical "Force items on the newbies" approach. They were all cool about not using Apocalypse with other people around (whether they had it or not).
Cheaters aren't the scum of the universe, as some (including myself, once) would have you believe. Yes, some of them are immature, moronic, self-delusional idiots with no self-esteem. But some of them just don't want to put forth the "effort" to play legitimately, which is fine by me as long as they keep it to themselves. No ten-thousand damage arrows. No Apocalypse spam. No duplicating and giving it to others. Just giving themselves a little "edge" (while the legit players still wind up getting more kills).
At this point in Diablo, I think we need to focus more on community and less on legitimacy. At one point it was possible to grab only the non-cheaters, and sort them until you have a community, but you need to build bottom-up with maybe a thousand players left, a lot of which don't even play publicly anymore.
So I encourage you to try meeting some of the cheaters. I've seen some that would fit right in here, and probably eventually turn legitimate when they realize how easy the game can be.
If you want to do something about cheaters, howsabout those on Diablo II? It has gotten so bad that they are generating lag enough to disconnect people from servers in private games. Their cheats also seem more malicious, for the most part, with their auto-grab-good-item things, aiming "utilities" for the caster PKs, and such. Yes, Diablo had autokill, but at least that was confined to the actual malicious people, and could easily be avoided if one knew what one was doing. How do you avoid a computerized grab program if you're on dial-up?
--me
Quote:A TC with 15 AC...
This is possible with the Warrior's repair skill in conjunction with hidden shrines, and is occasionally used to "legitimately" make it indestructible by carrying the duration to 255.
Quote: I've seen many players that dupe a good ring which he/she finds him/herself. He/she may even consider him/herself playing Diablo legitimately.
Watch out for this one too. Most scanners have the odd effect of not completely refreshing, so when a character moves an item, say from hand to inventory, the scanner reads it as a duplicate. You should also watch for the possibility of "common dupes", though that isn't as likely with the less common items. Sometimes the Battle.net (Diablo?) engine will generate a duplicate item ID completely legitimately.
Quote:Allow players to trade those items among the community, while such trades are properly recorded in a sort of "Master Thread" by the moderator of the PLM forum. Each member of the PLM would have a small segment of a post listing his/her "good" items. While these trades would not remain "ultra-pure," they could be virtually assured as fair and legitimate, through the integrity of the PLM.
That's rather extreme. If you have a lack of trust this deep, I must really question where your community is taking you.
Quote:Those are my suggestions, and my opinion, on what the degeneration of Diablo has forced. The necessary course of action, to me, is to attempt to spread legitimacy and expand it to what it once was. The methods of doing so may be questioned, but in truth, few of you still even play Diablo 1 publicly on Battle.net.
I play publicly, or did a week ago. And believe it or not, there ARE still newer players. I watched two become corrupted before my eyes, helpless to do anything about the lure of powerful items. I explained to one or two what legitimacy was, and have no idea if it took root. I met a few players that appeared to be legitimate, albeit at low level. I even met some cheaters who were good people, as antithetical as that may seem to some of you. The type that cheat enough to leave the game looking at least somewhat like what it was intended to. None of them used the typical "Force items on the newbies" approach. They were all cool about not using Apocalypse with other people around (whether they had it or not).
Cheaters aren't the scum of the universe, as some (including myself, once) would have you believe. Yes, some of them are immature, moronic, self-delusional idiots with no self-esteem. But some of them just don't want to put forth the "effort" to play legitimately, which is fine by me as long as they keep it to themselves. No ten-thousand damage arrows. No Apocalypse spam. No duplicating and giving it to others. Just giving themselves a little "edge" (while the legit players still wind up getting more kills).
At this point in Diablo, I think we need to focus more on community and less on legitimacy. At one point it was possible to grab only the non-cheaters, and sort them until you have a community, but you need to build bottom-up with maybe a thousand players left, a lot of which don't even play publicly anymore.
So I encourage you to try meeting some of the cheaters. I've seen some that would fit right in here, and probably eventually turn legitimate when they realize how easy the game can be.
If you want to do something about cheaters, howsabout those on Diablo II? It has gotten so bad that they are generating lag enough to disconnect people from servers in private games. Their cheats also seem more malicious, for the most part, with their auto-grab-good-item things, aiming "utilities" for the caster PKs, and such. Yes, Diablo had autokill, but at least that was confined to the actual malicious people, and could easily be avoided if one knew what one was doing. How do you avoid a computerized grab program if you're on dial-up?
--me