07-17-2006, 09:46 PM
Quote:I never said they did.
No. Multishot has a 10 second cooldown. Aimed shot has a 6 second cooldown, and if you don't time them right you can in fact have aimed eat an autoshot even though it doesn't reset the autoshot timer anymore.
So in essence you get 2 extra shots every 10 seconds. You get one more proc every 10 seconds. You get at best 59/2 = 29.5 mana/5. Though at one point Judgement of wisdom and light couldn't proc off special attacks anyway. I assumed it still couldn't. If it can again they need to fix that too.
I also wasn't talking about the effect on hunters in that example. Yes I brought it up, but the argument was against having it because of what it can do for casters.
Yes, horde hunters will do less damage than alliance hunters as soon as they run out of mana. It won't take an alliance hunter more than about 2 or 3 autoshots to make up the damage difference, so yeah it won't take more than abut 5 seconds to get that damage back and you have to drink longer than that.
Of course with raid wide totems assuming the aggro cieling isn't the problem horde melee will out damage alliance melee so hunters can do less damage.
The issue with mana tide raid wide is that it would do much more for the healers and casters. With healers effective mana pools being part of the game design I'm not a fan of changing that. The fact that it also "bursts" that mana can't be ignored either. Leave it as a party totem and let it help a smaller portion of people. It's fine. It will still be very useful.
Upping the amount from mana spring will mess up how totems in 5 mans too where I think they are pretty well balanced against what the paladin does in 5 mans.
It's not. It's applied to everyone in the raid that is in the radius of the totem. I'm not suggest the totem hit everyone in the riad. I'm suggesting the totem affects everyone in the raid who is in it's radius.
I don't want to turn totems into blessings.
Well, again, all this is hypothetical, and any change even close to this would be a huge step forward. However, if we do not make Mana Tide raid-wide (because that sounds overpowered, right?), here is how the typical raids will compare:
- Alliance will still have more manafe/spirit
- Alliance will have higher armor (thanks to Devotion Aura)
- Alliance will have higher heal efficiency (Paladins)
- Alliance will have better aggro control
- Mana regeneration will be roughly equal - Shamans have mana tide, Paladins provide JoW and BoW (that is slightly superior to Mana Spring)
- DPS will be roughly equal - Horde melee DPS will be slightly superior, while Alliance caster DPS will be superior to that of Horde (currently, Fire Mages and Shadow Priests are not viable at all for Horde on fights of any significant length, consumables or not)
So when all is said and done, we get a Horde raid that, while equal to Alliance raid in some areas, is still inferior in others. Why can't Horde raids be superior in one area? Blizzard could half the effectiveness of Mana Tide, make it trainable, give it a raid-wide totem (is 600 mana to everyone in the raid overpowered?), and give Shamans some decent 31 talent instead. Raid-wide Mana Tide would be pretty great, it is one option that I can think of that will give Horde a boost in raiding while not affecting 5 mans, PvP, Soloing, Duels or anything else of consequence.