Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings
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Quote:While Hunters will benefit from higher agility of GoA, Mages/Warlocks will not.

I never said they did.

Quote: Also, you forgot to count in the mana procs from Multishots and Aimed Shots, which will come out to about 40 mp5 on top of your estimate - to 139 mp5 - and you called 121.7 mp5 overpowered! BoW is superior to raid-wide Mana Spring, and with JoW, mages/warlocks/hunters enjoy much higher mana regeneration, and conversely, DPS, than their Horde counterparts.

No. Multishot has a 10 second cooldown. Aimed shot has a 6 second cooldown, and if you don't time them right you can in fact have aimed eat an autoshot even though it doesn't reset the autoshot timer anymore.

So in essence you get 2 extra shots every 10 seconds. You get one more proc every 10 seconds. You get at best 59/2 = 29.5 mana/5. Though at one point Judgement of wisdom and light couldn't proc off special attacks anyway. I assumed it still couldn't. If it can again they need to fix that too.

I also wasn't talking about the effect on hunters in that example. Yes I brought it up, but the argument was against having it because of what it can do for casters.

Yes, horde hunters will do less damage than alliance hunters as soon as they run out of mana. It won't take an alliance hunter more than about 2 or 3 autoshots to make up the damage difference, so yeah it won't take more than abut 5 seconds to get that damage back and you have to drink longer than that.

Of course with raid wide totems assuming the aggro cieling isn't the problem horde melee will out damage alliance melee so hunters can do less damage.

The issue with mana tide raid wide is that it would do much more for the healers and casters. With healers effective mana pools being part of the game design I'm not a fan of changing that. The fact that it also "bursts" that mana can't be ignored either. Leave it as a party totem and let it help a smaller portion of people. It's fine. It will still be very useful.

Upping the amount from mana spring will mess up how totems in 5 mans too where I think they are pretty well balanced against what the paladin does in 5 mans.

Quote:I don't think you understand the problem of raid-wide Tranquil Air. Let me rephrase this. If Tranquil Air is applied to everyone in the raid - including the tank - what is the point of it? Do you see the problem now? How do you make it NOT affect the MT? It's easier to just leave it party-only and place Shamans in groups based on that.

It's not. It's applied to everyone in the raid that is in the radius of the totem. I'm not suggest the totem hit everyone in the riad. I'm suggesting the totem affects everyone in the raid who is in it's radius.

I don't want to turn totems into blessings.

Quote:At the current 20 yards, you will be lucky for that totem to cover 10 people - that hardly qualifies as "raid-wide". And considering the ever-increasing amount of fights that require either spreading out, or significant player movement (just look at AQ40), I don't think it's too much to ask to at least double or triple the range.

As for limiting Tranquil Air by having 20 yards range (30 with talent/set bonus)... It could work partially. You could have Healers/Casters in the back getting totem, but you would probably still want to give the melee upfront party-only Tranquil Air, so as to not accidently give it to MT/OT. Of course, it will still have the downfall of short range if you must spread out/move around, which is why I said that if we buff other totems - including their range - we might as well leave Tranquil Air party-only, rather then have it as exception with short range and introduce different potentialy weird problems.

And if one totem covers the whole raid you drop the benefit of more than 3 shaman on the run (3 because you need the 3 air totems for everyone).

If you have 5 shaman you can place 2 tranquil air to cover more range and then the WF and GoA more where you need them.

No it won't be as good as what alliance does but it will feel a lot more like totems. Yes in mobile fights it means that shaman have to move the totems and be more careful.

Yep it means that one shaman can't buff the whole raid. But since one shaman can in effect provide 3 buffs (fire totems I count like pally auras) and a paladin can only do 1 + aura (which I more what I count some of the totems as) that is OK too.


And yes a party tranquil air might still be the best way to but I can live with it being like other raid totems which I don't envision as hitting everyone, just hitting everyone in range.
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Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Warlock - 07-15-2006, 10:29 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Mirajj - 07-15-2006, 10:50 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Artega - 07-15-2006, 11:18 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Monkey - 07-15-2006, 11:52 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by vor_lord - 07-16-2006, 05:29 AM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Kevin - 07-16-2006, 05:37 AM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Mirajj - 07-16-2006, 09:03 AM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by vor_lord - 07-16-2006, 01:09 PM
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Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Mavfin - 07-16-2006, 02:48 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Treesh - 07-16-2006, 03:25 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Mavfin - 07-16-2006, 11:59 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Cryptic - 07-17-2006, 01:28 AM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by TheWesson - 07-17-2006, 01:58 AM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Drasca - 07-17-2006, 03:53 AM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by swirly - 07-17-2006, 04:20 AM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Rinnhart - 07-17-2006, 05:19 AM
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Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by vor_lord - 07-17-2006, 01:54 PM
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Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by lemekim - 07-17-2006, 03:35 PM
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Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Kevin - 07-17-2006, 05:53 PM
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Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Lissa - 07-17-2006, 10:15 PM
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Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Falomin - 07-20-2006, 10:02 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Mavfin - 07-21-2006, 05:35 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Lissa - 07-21-2006, 07:08 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Kevin - 07-21-2006, 07:26 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Treesh - 07-21-2006, 07:38 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Lissa - 07-21-2006, 07:54 PM
Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Kevin - 07-21-2006, 08:10 PM
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Shaman Totems vs Paladin Blessings - by Tal - 08-04-2006, 12:51 AM
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