patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR
Quote:Utility? I don't think anyone can succesfully argue that an Arms/Fury Warrior brings anywhere near the utility that a Feral Druid does. And the DPS difference? Puh-lease. The DPS loss from a Feral Druid is, I wager, made up with LotP. Throw a Rogue in the Druid's group and bam, the DPS difference is gone. If not made up, made so inconsequential, that the utility the Druid brings makes Arms/Fury Warriors as top OT choice a thing of the past.

It's a good point, Imanerd, but I think the issue for many of us is not that we can't find raid spots but that they're changing our jobs with this patch

I was really having fun tanking with the bear. I can't say the prospect of being a sub-par Rogue with innervates really appeals to me

So I, as a small number of other Druids will too, will switch characters

I don't think having less Druids around is particularly good for the game, we are still one of the least popular classes

I also think that despite being able to handle pre-70 5 mans most Druids will not now want to. It kinda sucks to play for 70 levels as a tank and enjoy it then respec healbot or bad rogue to raid. It's not fun

People who don't play Druids seem to think that it must be a lot of fun to be 70% effective at lots of different things. Then again, they don't play Druids

You can put it down to ego but I want to be a good player, if not one of the best, players in the raid. Being 12th on the dps list while simultaneously having saved some healer a mana pot doesn't excite me like main tanking a hard boss does

Combat ress is very good, it can be spectacularly good, but Warlocks get a very similar ability plus fully raid level dps plus utility plus awesome pvp and soloing

And that's fine, I don't begrduge them that.

My point is that for raiding to be enjoyable you should have an opportunity to excel as a raider. It doesn't matter on the raid if class A can pvp better than class B or class C can solo the Ramparts. Because you're not doing that other stuff, you're raiding

In the final analysis if one has to pay a price in raid effectiveness for stuff that's outside raids then you've chosen the wrong character to raid with

So I'm giving up playing my Druid. It doesn't mean I wouldn't want someone who will bring mediocre dps with some useful utility along on future raids. It's simply that I don't want to be that person, I want to be the superstar dpser or main tank or some other ego-assuaging role while also gaining the benefit of becoming a pvp god vis-a-vis non-raiders. It's a better package in terms of the satisfaction I get out for the time I'm investing

The way WoW is going now it may come in time that everyone reaches that same conclusion which is why I thought it was a good thing to open up fully viable "superstar" type options for the healer classes and which is why I'm so disappointed that they seem to have changed their mind and started to take it all away from us again


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patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Ruvanal - 02-24-2007, 04:41 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Quark - 02-24-2007, 05:26 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Artega - 02-24-2007, 05:58 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-24-2007, 06:00 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Quark - 02-24-2007, 06:03 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by MongoJerry - 02-24-2007, 06:28 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Kevin - 02-24-2007, 07:14 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Trien - 02-24-2007, 07:15 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Warlock - 02-24-2007, 12:25 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-24-2007, 02:35 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mavfin - 02-24-2007, 02:40 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Monkey - 02-24-2007, 03:19 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Bolty - 02-24-2007, 05:55 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by nobbie - 02-24-2007, 07:10 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Quark - 02-24-2007, 07:31 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Warlock - 02-24-2007, 08:52 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Artega - 02-24-2007, 08:58 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Monkey - 02-24-2007, 10:04 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mavfin - 02-24-2007, 11:34 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mirajj - 02-25-2007, 02:12 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Klaus - 02-25-2007, 02:29 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-25-2007, 06:54 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Klaus - 02-25-2007, 06:53 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mavfin - 02-25-2007, 07:12 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Warlock - 02-25-2007, 08:02 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-25-2007, 09:16 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by nobbie - 02-25-2007, 09:34 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Artega - 02-25-2007, 10:15 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Brista - 02-25-2007, 10:58 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Trien - 02-26-2007, 06:45 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by lemekim - 02-26-2007, 06:51 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-26-2007, 12:59 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-26-2007, 03:36 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by fractaled - 02-26-2007, 10:18 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-26-2007, 10:56 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Brista - 02-27-2007, 02:17 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Warlock - 02-27-2007, 06:22 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Monkey - 02-27-2007, 02:55 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Legedi - 02-27-2007, 03:29 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Lissa - 02-27-2007, 03:31 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-27-2007, 03:36 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by fractaled - 02-27-2007, 08:50 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-27-2007, 11:00 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-27-2007, 11:10 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mavfin - 02-27-2007, 11:36 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-27-2007, 11:47 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mavfin - 02-27-2007, 11:51 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 12:08 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-28-2007, 12:24 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-28-2007, 12:50 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 12:55 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Bolty - 02-28-2007, 12:55 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-28-2007, 01:03 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mavfin - 02-28-2007, 01:14 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 01:18 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-28-2007, 01:20 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mavfin - 02-28-2007, 01:32 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 01:50 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 01:56 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mavfin - 02-28-2007, 02:04 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Roland - 02-28-2007, 02:32 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Concillian - 02-28-2007, 04:19 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Concillian - 02-28-2007, 05:24 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 06:13 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 06:13 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Brista - 02-28-2007, 06:52 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Warlock - 02-28-2007, 07:12 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Brista - 02-28-2007, 07:13 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 07:16 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Artega - 02-28-2007, 02:18 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Concillian - 02-28-2007, 02:39 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 03:09 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-28-2007, 03:44 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-28-2007, 04:11 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-28-2007, 04:15 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Lissa - 02-28-2007, 05:03 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by ima_nerd - 02-28-2007, 05:15 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 05:22 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 05:31 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Falomin - 02-28-2007, 05:44 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by ima_nerd - 02-28-2007, 06:05 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-28-2007, 06:16 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Frag - 02-28-2007, 06:22 PM
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patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 06:39 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-28-2007, 06:47 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by ima_nerd - 02-28-2007, 07:12 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by ima_nerd - 02-28-2007, 07:19 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 07:38 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Legedi - 02-28-2007, 07:43 PM
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patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by ima_nerd - 02-28-2007, 08:12 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-28-2007, 08:16 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 08:17 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-28-2007, 08:23 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 02-28-2007, 08:26 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Tal - 02-28-2007, 08:26 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Kevin - 02-28-2007, 08:36 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Artega - 02-28-2007, 08:36 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by ima_nerd - 02-28-2007, 08:56 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 02-28-2007, 08:58 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Kevin - 02-28-2007, 11:06 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Treesh - 03-01-2007, 02:51 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Brista - 03-01-2007, 03:29 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Brista - 03-01-2007, 03:49 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 03-01-2007, 10:07 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Lissa - 03-01-2007, 02:51 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by ima_nerd - 03-01-2007, 03:04 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by TheDragoon - 03-01-2007, 03:09 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Lissa - 03-01-2007, 03:16 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Delc - 03-01-2007, 04:03 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Kevin - 03-01-2007, 04:35 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Falomin - 03-01-2007, 06:11 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Warlock - 03-01-2007, 08:05 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by ima_nerd - 03-01-2007, 08:33 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Warlock - 03-01-2007, 09:46 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Monkey - 03-01-2007, 10:59 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Brista - 03-02-2007, 02:13 AM
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patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Brista - 03-02-2007, 04:14 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Legedi - 03-02-2007, 04:46 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Frag - 03-02-2007, 05:24 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Monkey - 03-02-2007, 05:44 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 03-02-2007, 05:48 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by vor_lord - 03-02-2007, 06:24 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Delc - 03-02-2007, 06:28 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 03-02-2007, 06:30 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 03-02-2007, 06:32 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Watto44 - 03-03-2007, 12:08 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 03-03-2007, 03:31 AM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by lfd - 03-03-2007, 06:39 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by nobbie - 03-04-2007, 08:46 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Artega - 03-04-2007, 08:51 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Skandranon - 03-04-2007, 10:20 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Quark - 03-04-2007, 10:21 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Mavfin - 03-04-2007, 10:46 PM
patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR - by Taelas - 03-04-2007, 10:51 PM
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