patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR

[Legedi]

Here would be my optimal-perfect-world-won'thappeninabillionyears tanking ranking:
1: Balance Druid (they don't even get +10% damage!)
2: Resto Druid
3:
4:
5:
6: Holy Pally
7: 0/31/30 Druid hybrid, Arms/Fury, Fury/Arms Warrior, Retribution Pally
8: Fury/Prot Warrior, Arms/Prot Warrior (30 in Prot, 31 in the other tree)
9:Feral Druid, Prot Pally
10: Prot Warrior

Holy Pally brings far more than a Ret Pally because, c'mon, Pally DPS is pathetic. Ret Pallies should be better at tanking to compensate. At 7 should be all the DPS Warriors, Ret Pallies and the Hybrid Druid. Warriors who sink 30 points in Protection deserve that 8 spot due the amount of soloability/DPS they lost. I don't think a Druid or Pally, no matter the spec, should be better than a full Prot specced Warrior. Hands down. Never. No matter how much they may whine about this or that, the fact remains they have utility the Warrior will never be able to match.

Edit: moved Pallies around.

I have to aggre with this. Stating that warriors bring buffs/debuffs that are valuable to a group when not tanking is like saying bringing a holy paladin to a group are valuable for only buffs, but not healing. If a protection warrior that isn't tanking there isn't an single class of any other spec that wouldn't be more usefull.

This doesn't even include aspects of a protection warrior outside group PvE. They suck at solo stuff (sure some warriors say they can grind protection, and I've tried. I tried grinding in DPS gear DW and with a shield. I tried in tank gear. It sucks. It is a shadow of what grinding is like arms or fury.) They suck at PvP. I'd like to see a class of any other build that is as worthless at PvP.

So protection warriors give up 2/3 of the game so they can tank. And your saying that feral druids (which do great grinding and in PvP) and protection paladins (don't really know how they do grinding, or in PvP. But I can't imagine it is worse than protection warriors) should be just as good.

And blizzard has stated that this is wrong. That's why they are making these changes. They have also stated they want feral druids and protection paladins to be able tanks. If for some reason druids can't tank because of these changes I'd expect some buffs back.