patch 2.0.10 notes on the PTR
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Quote:Utility? I don't think anyone can succesfully argue that an Arms/Fury Warrior brings anywhere near the utility that a Feral Druid does. And the DPS difference? Puh-lease. The DPS loss from a Feral Druid is, I wager, made up with LotP. Throw a Rogue in the Druid's group and bam, the DPS difference is gone. If not made up, made so inconsequential, that the utility the Druid brings makes Arms/Fury Warriors as top OT choice a thing of the past.
Define utility. :) If you mean versatility, then sure, Druids win (and should win since they are one of the most diversified classes in the game). However, I would note that versatility is not the same as utility. Warriors bring utility in the form of a tanking, DPS, and party buffs. A warrior can add a boatload of AP for their group through battle shout or health through the other shout (commanding shout?). In addition, they also bring the Thunderclap debuff (now also from defensive stance) that significantly reduces melee damage taken and Arms warriors have the debuff that increases damage done to mobs by other classes. Compared with those, Druids have mark of the wild (which really isn't that spectacular though it is good) and LotP (which is very, very good). But when it comes right down to it, a shout + thunderclap is a major party buff that I would certainly include as "utility."

Tal Wrote:I, once again, completely and openly disagree with you. They still have bear form which grants armor and life. They still have access to all of the skills of a bear tank. They're not as effective as a warrior but they CAN do it.
I'm going to mildly disagree with you here. The base Druid is very poor at tanking. They might be able to hold some aggro and mitigate some damage but any other tanking class will do it better if in comparable levels of gear. The fact that Druid talents are very powerful compared to talents from other classes is that Druids have a much farther way to go.

To illustrate how I feel the classes match up (in the current world), here is a completely arbitrary scale based on no hard evidence beyond my knowledge of how the classes play and how their talents stack up. The scale is 1 (poor at tanking) to 10 (zomg uber tank):
1: Balance Druid (they don't even get +10% damage!)
2: Resto Druid
3: Retribution Pally
4: Holy Pally
5: 0/31/30 Druid hybrid, Arms/Fury or Fury/Arms Warrior
6: Arms/Prot Warrior
7: Fury/Prot Warrior
8: Prot Pally (honestly I haven't played with many but they might be fair to include as a 9 or 10, as well)
9: Prot Warrior
10: Feral Druid

Here is what I fear it will look like in the next patch if Druid threat isn't scaled:
-3: Balance Druid (they don't even get +10% damage!)
-1: Resto Druid
3: Retribution Pally, 0/31/30 Druid hybrid
4: Holy Pally
5: Arms/Fury or Fury/Arms Warrior
6: Arms/Prot Warrior, Feral Druid
7: Fury/Prot Warrior
8: Prot Pally (honestly I haven't played with many but they might be fair to include as a 9 or 10, as well)
9:
10: Prot Warrior

And finally, this is the way I think they should stack up if it were an ideal world:
1: Balance Druid (they don't even get +10% damage!)
2: Resto Druid
3:
4:
5: Retribution Pally
6: Arms/Fury, Fury/Arms Warrior, or Holy Pally
7: 0/31/30 Druid hybrid
8: Fury/Prot Warrior, Arms/Prot Warrior
9:
10: Feral Druid, Prot Warrior, Prot Pally
-TheDragoon


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