Quote:No, I haven't.Is this where we start going "nuh uh" "uh huh"? If so let me know so I can ignore you and move on.
Quote:Like I said, the ability to tank a 5-man instance is negligible. I can't comment on Heroic instances, as I haven't set foot in one yet. I can only say I would not go into one with a Restoration druid as the main tank, knowing just how weak a Restoration druid is as a tank.
We're a braver sort on Stormrage Alliance then.
Quote:Are you certain the druid wasn't a Feral/Restoration hybrid?His primary spec is restoration and I didn't ask him the rest of his spec. Its the same kind of ignorant bs I deal with when someone asks me to tank and then grills me on my spec ultimately wanting to recruit someone else because I'm 31/13/17 spec. You ask me to tank I tank.
Quote:Assuming equal level gear, the Retribution spec is currently the weakest DPS spec of all classes. I've never seen a Retribution paladin on even top-15 in a 40-man raid on the DPS meter, and I've raided with a damn well skilled Retribution paladin. Of course, my raid group has always looked down on off-specs.
My experience would belie that assertation as I've already stated. So where do we go from here?
Quote:Why? Higher DPS than the Feral druid.
While conviently ignoring the other positives that I've already mentioned.
Quote:A cat druid who keeps pace with you isn't spot healing, he isn't innervating, and he isn't rebirthing. He can't do those AND keep pace; it ain't happening--unless he plains out-damages you, which I'm NOT seeing as possible. As soon as he's forced to do any of that, his DPS drops.
And as soon as I start tanking MY dps drops. Funny ol' world innit? Doesn't change the fact that he brings that level of flexibility to the raid group.
Quote:Turning the question around, why would a raid leader bring a Feral druid if his tanking is less than/equal to the warriors', his DPS is less than the warriors' (a fact assuming his innervate, rebirths or healing is required at some point), and he would heal more as a Restoration druid and still provide both innervates and rebirths?
*sigh* I hate verbal merry go 'rounds. I'll state again what I've already said so many times that you've not listened to before. Because of their powerful flexibility of roles in a raid.
Quote:Except each and every piece of extraordinary power and flexibility can be gotten in other, better ways. Replace the Feral druid with a rogue and the Protection paladin with a Holy paladin and push the Fury warriors forward to tank; voilá: More DPS, equal tanking and more healing.
Can that rogue tank or heal on the next boss fight? How about that holy paladin? Can he dps or tank on the next fight?
The answer is exactly what I said in my first post. A smart raid leader isn't going to ignore either of those two classes in raid composition. Just like they're not going to ignore a dps warrior's utility. And that DPS warriors should tank on par with a feral druid or a protection paladin BECAUSE of the things the other classes can bring to a raid. Believe me or not it makes no difference to me. Of the two of us I would be the one that is not reducing hybrids roles in a raid and I'm done repeating myself.