Mists of Pandaria discussion

[Lissa]

No, B team has screwed up. It's not nostalgia, it's actually B team screwing up. Look back at my earlier posts about things that have been done wrong, like overtuning things or nerfing too soon. I gave specific examples and everyone seems to be overlooking them.

That's because you're missing *our* point. It's not that the B team has made no mistakes. Of course they have. It's that ALL teams have made mistakes, at every point. Over-tuning and over-nerfing have been constantly see-sawing back and forth. Sometimes they nerf too soon and too hard, other times, they don't nerf quickly enough or deep enough. The game wasn't perfect to begin with, it hasn't been perfect at any point, and it isn't perfect now. So it's no use arguing that there are flaws. The question is whether these flaws are abnormally large, relative to the past experience. I say definitely not.

-Jester

You're totally missing it. I understand mistakes are going to be made, but drastic mistakes, which is what the B team has made, shouldn't. A team wasn't coming from prior MMO experience, they were building things up from the ground up and did a fairly decent job over time with Ulduar being their pinnacle. B team had the ability to use what they learned from what A team was doing and go forward, with some mistakes granted, but they shouldn't have been drastic mistakes. Cataclysm shows that they didn't learn from what A team did right and what A team did wrong, and now they're reaping the lost subscribers because of it (almost 1 Million lost subs from all area with many more potentially on the way). You can say that Cataclysm was good all you want, but 8% of the subscriber base leaving in the first 6 months of the expansion says otherwise.