12-23-2005, 02:45 PM
I believe to some degree in evolution.
However, I also believe that everything is far to complex to have just happened by chance. Some greater force had to have had a hand in it someplace.
I like confusing the hardcore fundies that claim the earth is only six thousand years old. In the Bible, it says the Earth was with out form and void. When taken from the Hebrew, it clearly shows that the earth has already existed, for who knows how long. It was dark, and had no solid shapes. Which probably meant that it was some ball of moulten rock orbiting the sun. Probably for trillions of years or whatever. Either that, or it may have had some kind of life on it, and got smooshed by some celestial body, like say, an asteroid, which had caused it to go dark and have some serious turmoil. Thing is, nobody knows. The Hebrew there is cryptic. In Job, the whole laying the foundations of the earth thing and existing before that time means God (Once again, knowledge of Hebrew is required, English chops this up to badly) had a fully populated earth and was still God before he laid the foundations of the earth, ie, the events in the first book of the Bible.
So the Bible is chock full of passages that support a very, very old earth.
Also, before the events of the first book of the Bible, experienced scholars will also know that the Earth was created as a garden, a resting place for Lucifer, long before it was created for man. When God cast him out, it says that he fell to Earth like a falling star... Which could have meant that a very physical event took place, something like say, a celestial body cracking the planet and destroying all things previously there. Sort of like an angry parent sending their child to their room, but destroying all the fun stuff inside while doing so.
You can only go so far on either side, creation or evolution. Sooner or later you take a leap of faith for either one.
However, I also believe that everything is far to complex to have just happened by chance. Some greater force had to have had a hand in it someplace.
I like confusing the hardcore fundies that claim the earth is only six thousand years old. In the Bible, it says the Earth was with out form and void. When taken from the Hebrew, it clearly shows that the earth has already existed, for who knows how long. It was dark, and had no solid shapes. Which probably meant that it was some ball of moulten rock orbiting the sun. Probably for trillions of years or whatever. Either that, or it may have had some kind of life on it, and got smooshed by some celestial body, like say, an asteroid, which had caused it to go dark and have some serious turmoil. Thing is, nobody knows. The Hebrew there is cryptic. In Job, the whole laying the foundations of the earth thing and existing before that time means God (Once again, knowledge of Hebrew is required, English chops this up to badly) had a fully populated earth and was still God before he laid the foundations of the earth, ie, the events in the first book of the Bible.
So the Bible is chock full of passages that support a very, very old earth.
Also, before the events of the first book of the Bible, experienced scholars will also know that the Earth was created as a garden, a resting place for Lucifer, long before it was created for man. When God cast him out, it says that he fell to Earth like a falling star... Which could have meant that a very physical event took place, something like say, a celestial body cracking the planet and destroying all things previously there. Sort of like an angry parent sending their child to their room, but destroying all the fun stuff inside while doing so.
You can only go so far on either side, creation or evolution. Sooner or later you take a leap of faith for either one.
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
"Isn't this where...."
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
"Isn't this where...."