11-03-2005, 05:22 PM
Rinnhart,Nov 2 2005, 09:50 PM Wrote:Your example is two paladins guarding a flag. Pick two: rogue/mage/warlock- well timed CC's[right][snapback]93952[/snapback][/right]
Trinket, cleanse, diminishing returns kick in.
1v1, Rogue or mage (warlock situationally shard and talent dependent) has a great chance killing pallies. 2v2, CC's simply won't work. Interrupt game from then on, where DS is their ace in the hole. Pallies refuse to die (in the short PvP timescale). They'll hold off for a minimum of 30 seconds to 2 minutes or more.
Sap? Maybe. I don't know too many PvP or end-game raiding rogues with improved sap now-a-days though (not that it is needed but saps can fail). Also takes time, which is a crucial factor.
Some people also don't understand how overwhelming epic weapons doing physical damage are. Healers in plate [reducing phys] with shield skills [negating phys] survive when cloth [*&$# by phys] epic weapons don't.
How would you paladin players feel about an combat ability that is useful DPS, but temporarily disables all ability to use, through a long skill cooldown... say... Holy skills (Healing/Shields/etc, all the survivability stuff) for xxx seconds? Offensive trade-off for defensive abilities, so you can do either or, but not both. Shamans are limited by mana, mail, and totem limitations. I feel like in order to give Paladins offense, you must trade away all the important defensive abilities. One can only hope.
savaughn has this on the nose right now:
Quote:It's at this point that Paladins begin to look their best. The horde priests can be killed within seconds, leaving the Alliance with the only magic effect removal.
mages and warlocks become fairly trivial on the playground as their damage gets dwarfed by the melee classes and they are taken down so quickly its very upsetting - for the cloth classes damage ramps much faster than your effective hit point pool.
That is the reason why resiliance against Physical damage is important, why it is end-all-be all right now. Epic weapons one or two shot cloth wearers, where spells are... easier to mitigate (interrupts, silences, and increased casting time hits). Heck, as a warlock having fun with his shaman friends, I see his shocks and purges go resist resist, low damage resist, frequently.
Only way to stop Physical damage? Innate defense, or crowd control/snares. Uh... Pallies on field. CC won't work. Snares won't work, and they aren't (*$&^ over by cloth itemization.
Well. (&*$.
Quote:He is supposed to be the balance between healing and melee. That's what miffs me; currently, he's not. That's why I'm frustrated with him, both in PvP and PvE. --JustAGuy
That too is the reason I don't play WoW Paladins. D2 Paladins... loved, but translating to WoW, warriors really inherited their combat abilities.
Still, I feel Paladin's PvP staying power is currently obscene.