Help me respec my druid
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TheDragoon,Oct 11 2005, 01:07 PM Wrote:I've done some searching around and came up with the following expression to detail priestly spirit regeneration:

Mana Regeneration (per tick) = Spirit / 4 + 13
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Druids are spirit / 5.

Spirit is not as common on leather as it is on cloth. Druids get cloth items after the priests and warlocks have their fill so it takes more time to get it. I get to about 250 spirit buffed, higher if I want to give up more life or mana.

I have full reflection now because well I had to to get innervate, but I just haven't found it to be all that useful. I have an over unbundance of mana or the one extra heal it will give me before I run dry doesn't really make much of a difference.

I don't disagree that it is more valuable per point than the priest talent but I don't think anyone would get the talent on either class without maxing it. It's less useful maxed to a druid who will likely have lower spirit and less regen for it.

So I'm looking at (250/5 + 13) * 0.15 = 9.45 mana per tick while casting and 63 per tick while not casting. A tick is 3 seconds. Mana pool is around 6K in my raid gear. Healing touch is 690 mana with talents. 28 seconds of the 3.5 second cast would suck 5520 mana. I would get 85 mana back in that time from reflection. Not enough to make a difference for much of anything. It's not a completely pointless talent but I just don't see as much benefit from it as I do from rejuv doing 76 to 115 more healing per cast or regrowth having a 10% - 30% higher chance to crit on the front end.

Rejuv on the MT actually heals about as much as on others in the raid since the MT will get hurt again and a rejuv/renew/regrowth HoT tick will have a chance to go off before they are topped off again. On someone else it will get a couple of ticks then a paladin or a priest will throw a fast heal on them or a druid will hit them with a regrowth that tops them off from the front end heal. So in my experience you lose as many rejuv ticks on the MT as you do on anyone else.

And again even with a crit on the front end of regrowth you still need the HoT to make it mana efficient so you still only cast that periodically on a single target. Since the front end can heal for nearly 2K with a crit, not looking at gear, if you cast it on anyone but a warrior and get a crit you will very likely waste your own HoT. If they are below half health you can pretty much count on someone else having a heal heading their way. Of course this is why you use lower ranks of it much of the time but if you count on a crit with a lower rank and don't get it you can be in trouble and you would have been better off in most cases spending the extra 1.5 seconds casting the healing touch. The crit is nice so I want to up the chance of it going off when I hit the MT with it every now and then in smaller groups or when I'm making sure that rogue or off tank doesn't go down before the healing touch gets them but even at 60% or so you would have with it fully talented it's mostly going to be worse than trying to land a healing touch on someone at least for me and the way I heal.

Bun-Bun Wrote:Much depends on what you intend to be doing. If you're a raidaholic, I'd do a Balance/Restoration or a Restoration/Balance for ranged damage while being available to heal. It tends to drop the Fun Fur Factor, though.

What do I want to do? Well I want to be able to help out wherver I can. 40 man raids now and then. 5 mans, 10 and 15 man raids for loot. In the 10 and 15 man I'll probably not be needed to heal at all if there is a priest around, except in just a few fights or in an emergency so I'll probably be hanging out as a cat with the rogues and shifting to other forms as need be.

In 5 man with this group I'll most likely either be healing or DPS. If the group really needs a tank they'll probably want Gnolack more than a druid bear. So improvements to bear form will only help out in PvP and when things get messy. Improvements to cat form will help out as much as improvements to healing. I'm very comfortable being in cat form doing damage and still watching heal bars so I can back-up heal if I need to. While 20 points in balance can certainly help pump up the caster form damage it seems that you still need a 30+ point investment to really help it out. Furor will allow me to throw out an insect swarm/hurricane/whatever before hitting cat to do damage. I don't think I would really have more mana to heal with either way since I'll be draining mana for damage in caster or I will have a smaller mana pool for more crit and AP in cat form.

So I'm trying to keep the utility of Taranna high while improving healing. Not having improved MotW will probably make raids a little less happy but really its 100 armor, 7 resist all and 4 to all stats. Helpful but not hugely so. I can just give my reagents to a druid that has the better one once an hour if need be.

So with those thoughts in mind I'm anxious for more of this good feedback I've gotten so far. Bun-Bun's feral build looks much like what I would do if I went full feral.
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Help me respec my druid - by Kevin - 10-11-2005, 02:26 PM
Help me respec my druid - by nobbie - 10-11-2005, 03:59 PM
Help me respec my druid - by TheDragoon - 10-11-2005, 04:00 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Kevin - 10-11-2005, 04:50 PM
Help me respec my druid - by TheDragoon - 10-11-2005, 06:07 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Bun-Bun - 10-11-2005, 06:09 PM
Help me respec my druid - by nobbie - 10-11-2005, 06:23 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Bun-Bun - 10-11-2005, 06:28 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Kevin - 10-11-2005, 06:55 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Tuftears - 10-11-2005, 07:40 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Warlock - 10-11-2005, 10:10 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Quark - 10-11-2005, 10:16 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Kevin - 10-11-2005, 11:07 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Tuftears - 10-12-2005, 12:20 AM
Help me respec my druid - by Watto44 - 10-12-2005, 01:58 AM
Help me respec my druid - by Sir_Die_alot - 10-12-2005, 02:21 AM
Help me respec my druid - by Warlock - 10-12-2005, 02:51 AM
Help me respec my druid - by Kevin - 10-12-2005, 05:03 AM
Help me respec my druid - by Kevin - 10-12-2005, 05:06 AM
Help me respec my druid - by Warlock - 10-12-2005, 08:30 PM
Help me respec my druid - by nobbie - 10-12-2005, 09:26 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Tuftears - 10-12-2005, 10:34 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Kevin - 10-13-2005, 12:59 AM
Help me respec my druid - by TheDragoon - 10-13-2005, 03:01 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Sir_Die_alot - 10-18-2005, 01:11 PM
Help me respec my druid - by TheDragoon - 10-18-2005, 04:00 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Bun-Bun - 10-18-2005, 04:16 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Kevin - 10-25-2005, 06:39 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Tuftears - 10-25-2005, 07:08 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Kevin - 10-25-2005, 07:32 PM
Help me respec my druid - by Artega - 10-25-2005, 09:47 PM
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