06-04-2005, 02:38 PM
A question.
Some folk made some pretty bold statements about LSD damaging the brain.
In short, that the brain can not be reprogrammed or made to work... "better."
So, with the folks that take this contrary position, I would like to hear your defense on the issue that LSD has raised people's IQs (Considerably I might add in some tests) and then the whole cure some mental illnesses like schizophrenia. If LSD only damages the brain, how does one explain the (I will confess rare) examples where LSD really has rerouted and rewired the brain, making it work better so to speak. If a person suffering from some schizo-type disorder, and using LSD, has it cured, never to bother them again, exactly what is this called? Brain damage? What great loss have they endured to be free of a crippling disabling disease? And for the most part, these were permanent changes. The raising of IQ continued to exist after the drug wore off. So if the brain is being damaged, how does one explain the increased mental function with the actual science involved to back it up? The new receptors being created while on LSD are actually better and function a great deal better than the "normal" receptors that we are born with. (Although not for everybody. Some folks get paradise, others go to hell)
No, affirming Occhi's assertions, I am not a brain surgeon. But I am well studied enough on these issues and have delved into the observations of others. One does not need to be a physicist and understand the complex workings of a microwave to make it heat up some leftovers. The common person can not explain the inner workings, but, they can observe that by pressing the "1" button, the microwave will heat a something for one minute. They might not know how it works, they only know that it works.
After a lot of thought last night, and some time spent milking my goats this morning and discussing it with them, they all agree that most of your opinions on the issue are "baahaahaahaad" and that maybe you should reconsider. I retract my statement that I am somehow "damaged." I no longer agree with that idea. I am different. Evolved maybe. Changed. Altered. Just because I work differently, does not mean I that I work improperly. If everybody else were like me, it would be considered "normal" so it's all a matter of perception really. My own views on my self are tainted because I can recall a day in my past when my brain was "normal" and I draw my conclusions on the experience based on that. Had I not had that "normal" period, my perceptions on how I am now would be entirely different. IE, I would be perfectly normal, and I would be wondering what the hell is wrong with everybody else and why are they brain damaged.
Don't try your logical assertions on me as they do not work. If you wish to defend your position, do so objectly. Think outside of your own head.
I have a meeting coming up in a while, so I will be AFK (In a bit) for a few hours while I grapple with an issue that has irked me for quite some time. I am about to go and deal with it and hopefully get something done about it. And if all else fails, I am probably going to beat the hell out of somebody.
Some folk made some pretty bold statements about LSD damaging the brain.
In short, that the brain can not be reprogrammed or made to work... "better."
So, with the folks that take this contrary position, I would like to hear your defense on the issue that LSD has raised people's IQs (Considerably I might add in some tests) and then the whole cure some mental illnesses like schizophrenia. If LSD only damages the brain, how does one explain the (I will confess rare) examples where LSD really has rerouted and rewired the brain, making it work better so to speak. If a person suffering from some schizo-type disorder, and using LSD, has it cured, never to bother them again, exactly what is this called? Brain damage? What great loss have they endured to be free of a crippling disabling disease? And for the most part, these were permanent changes. The raising of IQ continued to exist after the drug wore off. So if the brain is being damaged, how does one explain the increased mental function with the actual science involved to back it up? The new receptors being created while on LSD are actually better and function a great deal better than the "normal" receptors that we are born with. (Although not for everybody. Some folks get paradise, others go to hell)
No, affirming Occhi's assertions, I am not a brain surgeon. But I am well studied enough on these issues and have delved into the observations of others. One does not need to be a physicist and understand the complex workings of a microwave to make it heat up some leftovers. The common person can not explain the inner workings, but, they can observe that by pressing the "1" button, the microwave will heat a something for one minute. They might not know how it works, they only know that it works.
After a lot of thought last night, and some time spent milking my goats this morning and discussing it with them, they all agree that most of your opinions on the issue are "baahaahaahaad" and that maybe you should reconsider. I retract my statement that I am somehow "damaged." I no longer agree with that idea. I am different. Evolved maybe. Changed. Altered. Just because I work differently, does not mean I that I work improperly. If everybody else were like me, it would be considered "normal" so it's all a matter of perception really. My own views on my self are tainted because I can recall a day in my past when my brain was "normal" and I draw my conclusions on the experience based on that. Had I not had that "normal" period, my perceptions on how I am now would be entirely different. IE, I would be perfectly normal, and I would be wondering what the hell is wrong with everybody else and why are they brain damaged.
Don't try your logical assertions on me as they do not work. If you wish to defend your position, do so objectly. Think outside of your own head.
I have a meeting coming up in a while, so I will be AFK (In a bit) for a few hours while I grapple with an issue that has irked me for quite some time. I am about to go and deal with it and hopefully get something done about it. And if all else fails, I am probably going to beat the hell out of somebody.
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
"Isn't this where...."
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.
And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
"Isn't this where...."