05-19-2005, 04:46 PM
[QUOTE][quote=lfd,May 19 2005, 10:41 AM]
You know, it really annoys me when people pull the "I've done this, therefore you know nothing" crap. [right][snapback]77892[/snapback][/right]
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Ok first of all I don't see how my statement has anything to do with your level of knowledge. I'm speaking from my own experience. I've spent many years doing both internal and external testing of games from pre-alpha to release. I've also been in an environment where i can see what happens when project management is incapable of balancing resources where they need to be. The amount of time I could take just going completely off on your generalizations and assumptions on the above quote are endless and to be blunt it really pisses me off to have my words so blatantly twisted.
[QUOTE]The number of bugs in the game tells me that Blizzard is quite incapable of properly doing internal testing. The number of people playing the game is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Well since you've already gone and brought intellegence quotients into this argument let me ask; What credentials do you have to make such a statement? I've given my experiences and why i feel it is reasonable for the developers to make the decisions they have. How are you basing your assessment of Blizzard's testing prowess? Because you play the game and you saw a bug? Have you played any other MMO's? Have you beta tested any other MMO's?
Also, the number of people playing the game is highly relevant. If the game was so heavily inundated with bugs and glitches people would not play. This is the most played MMO ever. And among other MMO's at this point in thier development it is one of the games with the fewest major bugs.
[QUOTE]...what you seem to be saying here is "the only thing you'll find out by doing this is things that you won't find out by not doing it". Given that, isn't it better to do those things? There is _plenty_ of PvP on a PvE server, even outside of battlegrounds. You quite categorically do NOT need a PvP server to test PvP.[/QUOTE]
No, what i'm saying is that it is not economical to test in that way for PvE content. And as for the PvP vs PvE server I can make reasonable assumptions all day as to why Blizzard might want to make them that way. Quite possibly they just wanted to get the most bang for their buck on PvP testing. If they take the shackles off by making it a PvP server they will get exponentially more PvP interactions than if it were a PvE server. They will also not have a PvP server full of people that want to do PvE stuff. I get back to my original argument; Why should Blizzard make a second PvE test server when all the information they need can be gathered from one server?
You know, it really annoys me when people pull the "I've done this, therefore you know nothing" crap. [right][snapback]77892[/snapback][/right]
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Ok first of all I don't see how my statement has anything to do with your level of knowledge. I'm speaking from my own experience. I've spent many years doing both internal and external testing of games from pre-alpha to release. I've also been in an environment where i can see what happens when project management is incapable of balancing resources where they need to be. The amount of time I could take just going completely off on your generalizations and assumptions on the above quote are endless and to be blunt it really pisses me off to have my words so blatantly twisted.
[QUOTE]The number of bugs in the game tells me that Blizzard is quite incapable of properly doing internal testing. The number of people playing the game is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
Well since you've already gone and brought intellegence quotients into this argument let me ask; What credentials do you have to make such a statement? I've given my experiences and why i feel it is reasonable for the developers to make the decisions they have. How are you basing your assessment of Blizzard's testing prowess? Because you play the game and you saw a bug? Have you played any other MMO's? Have you beta tested any other MMO's?
Also, the number of people playing the game is highly relevant. If the game was so heavily inundated with bugs and glitches people would not play. This is the most played MMO ever. And among other MMO's at this point in thier development it is one of the games with the fewest major bugs.
[QUOTE]...what you seem to be saying here is "the only thing you'll find out by doing this is things that you won't find out by not doing it". Given that, isn't it better to do those things? There is _plenty_ of PvP on a PvE server, even outside of battlegrounds. You quite categorically do NOT need a PvP server to test PvP.[/QUOTE]
No, what i'm saying is that it is not economical to test in that way for PvE content. And as for the PvP vs PvE server I can make reasonable assumptions all day as to why Blizzard might want to make them that way. Quite possibly they just wanted to get the most bang for their buck on PvP testing. If they take the shackles off by making it a PvP server they will get exponentially more PvP interactions than if it were a PvE server. They will also not have a PvP server full of people that want to do PvE stuff. I get back to my original argument; Why should Blizzard make a second PvE test server when all the information they need can be gathered from one server?