Medicine Man,Nov 11 2004, 05:36 AM Wrote:That's a bit ignorant by your standards, Occhi. Deriding the messenger when you don't like the message comes awfully close to fitting a particular internet axiom about arguements. As the person trying to make an arguement, the onus is on Armin to back up his figures with some sources or facts -- so I can't fault you for questioning his charges. Dismissing a humanitarian group as a bunch of useless, handwashing, assholes is a bit harsh though.I support AI, but I don't agree with all the bleeding heart crap they spew either. Occhi is right to question the stats and the way they were presented makes it seem like nearly 42400 people are locked up in prisons in and around Iraq for breaking curfew or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not sure if those numbers are accurate, but I doubt it is that large. There are possibly thousands, however, each is a human being that deserves to be afforded human rights.
Were AI a military group who's mandate was overthrowing dictators, I'd agree with you. In reality they are civilian group concerned with alleviating the suffering of political prisoners and I am reasonably sure they were active in Iraq, to some extent. If you consider this a topic of discussion, I'll do some research and get back to you. If you aren't interested, at least get some facts yourself before you start thrashing them.
Cheers.
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And, AI has been active for decades trying to intercede on behalf of justice and for individuals who might otherwise be forgotten and disposed of. Such as,
Denmark/Iraq: International Justice for the victims of Halabja
IRAQ Hussam Mohammad Jawad, aged 67
I have written thousands of letters to various dictators, or politicians world wide in support of following a dignified due process in either punishing or releasing detainees, especially political prisoners.