09-09-2004, 12:57 AM
Pete,Sep 8 2004, 04:23 PM Wrote:Hi,It isn't just ivory tower. The culture going around any debates seem to be ignore the actual world and argue with (I think it's "prefabricated") arguments like "The religious books don't suggest violence" or "It will take away all morality". I notice this from people who do actual work, ort people in school who go through their own life problems but can't associate the way they deal with these problems with the big issues. For example "abotion should be legal because women need freedom of choice", a lot of people who make this argument don't really think of having the sex or not as a choice, and also don't think of in their argument whether the fact that people make what seems like a bad choice of doing that comes from not having information, not caring, or a bigger problem of males running over females. (This is the kind of information I like having before taking sides on issues, as well as economics. I'm neutral on abortions so far because I don't have a lot of this information). Not meant to be an argument about these particular issues, just a point about the way people argue them.
Whether you call it a 'pachydentin citadel' (as its inhabitants probably do) or the simple Anglo-Saxon 'ivory tower', it remains the residence of pompous idiots whose education far outstrips their intelligence. Anyone who would seriously write "Today such issues which involve killing others over the ontological status of a biscuit or bathwater may seem ridiculous, . . ." is clearly out of touch with the world as it is and and as it has been throughout recorded history.
Five years of working construction should be a prerequisite for anyone applying to a school of philosophy. Socrates, at least, knew the realities of his world. He was, as far as my reading has uncovered, the last philosopher to do so.
--Pete
This is an example of the debating topics I thought of earlier, whether people consider enough real world information when deciding points on issues.
(mods can just delete the sex sentence if it's a problem, I read the bit that you think it's editing, but for that sentence I'm O.K. with that, the point still works the same)
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