08-09-2004, 04:59 PM
Hi Pete
Yes this worried me as well. Especially since the only way to "clear" your name is provide your own testimony in the forums. A most worrying proposition for folks like me who neglect to take copious screenshots in the moments after a boss kill or who keep their crystal balls turned off in the evening. ;)
For framing purposes the person only needs to scroll up in their chat logs in game. For purposes of establishing innocence this is much more problematic unless people get in the habit of taking screenshots of a boss prior to looting and after looting (and one would hope a successful roll on the drop). Even then, as has been proven by a few of the WoW forum goers and alluded to by you, screenshots can be faked by those with enough skill.
What also concerns me are the new sections that he has added - the Hall of Shame and Griefers. Especially since screenshots very frequently don't tell the whole story of an incident. So again, unless you take loads of screenshots to prevent innocent accusations, you're up the creek as soon as an idiot can send his screenshots in. I've had two incidents this past weekend that could have landed me in those sections. The first involved a lower level alliance player and I in Stranglethorn Vale. As I ran across to the Hunter's camp I got aggro'd by a group of Young Tigers (lvl 31) even though I was level 41. I decided that, rather than being stuck in recovery from the Tiger's rapid attacks, I would just push on to the camp. Unfortunately a level 32 warrior happened off the road behind me and got the returning mob's hate and was swamped. I wouldn't have known he had gotten trained if the warrior hadn't had stated in the general chat that he got trained by a pally. I turned and was able to help him out by killing the beasts and healing him. It would have been all to easy for him to take a screenshot of my careless training and not provide that I did turn and help him. The second incident stemmed from Roane and I getting attacked by some Undead guards outside Tarren Mill. We defended ourselves and were getting pounded hard when an Undead warrior (31) showed up and attacked me, contributing to my death at the hands of the gaurds. But much later I came across the same undead, again with PvP enabled and attacked him, killing him. I'm sure I would be in the Ganker's category if based on just the part of the story that Ninjalooter.com provides.
I'm not justifying my actions in either case as being right. I could have avoided even an innocent training by killing the tigers as each aggro'd me. My only reason for not doing so is that I was tired and wanting to log off for the night after turning in a quest. I also could have taken the high road and not attacked the warrior in the second incident but c'mon...he asked for it. ;)
I just don't see how Ninjalooter.com could be as useful as the authors stated. The risk of abuse far outweighs any potential use it might have.
Pete,Aug 9 2004, 12:07 PM Wrote:Hi,
Check out ninjalooter.com to see more specifics on how this works.
Right. First, given the D1 and D2 experience, maybe they ought to make a list of non-bastard players. It would be a whole lot shorter. Second, nice of ninjalooter.com to set up a way that one or two people can screw everyone and anyone.
Yes this worried me as well. Especially since the only way to "clear" your name is provide your own testimony in the forums. A most worrying proposition for folks like me who neglect to take copious screenshots in the moments after a boss kill or who keep their crystal balls turned off in the evening. ;)
Pete,Aug 9 2004, 12:07 PM Wrote:Anyone who thinks that screen shots are valid evidence for anything is too dumb to pound sand. And I especially get a kick out of "To help prevent against our greatest âworryâ of fake screenshots slipping past us, multiple screenshots of the chat - before and after the ninjalooting occured will be needed." Right, again. All you have to do is either keep your crystal ball warmed up and working so that you can get that pre-"crime" shot or use your time machine to do it after the fact.
Bah, the "solution" looks to me a lot worse than the problem. Brings to mind the "scanners" of D1.
--Pete
For framing purposes the person only needs to scroll up in their chat logs in game. For purposes of establishing innocence this is much more problematic unless people get in the habit of taking screenshots of a boss prior to looting and after looting (and one would hope a successful roll on the drop). Even then, as has been proven by a few of the WoW forum goers and alluded to by you, screenshots can be faked by those with enough skill.
What also concerns me are the new sections that he has added - the Hall of Shame and Griefers. Especially since screenshots very frequently don't tell the whole story of an incident. So again, unless you take loads of screenshots to prevent innocent accusations, you're up the creek as soon as an idiot can send his screenshots in. I've had two incidents this past weekend that could have landed me in those sections. The first involved a lower level alliance player and I in Stranglethorn Vale. As I ran across to the Hunter's camp I got aggro'd by a group of Young Tigers (lvl 31) even though I was level 41. I decided that, rather than being stuck in recovery from the Tiger's rapid attacks, I would just push on to the camp. Unfortunately a level 32 warrior happened off the road behind me and got the returning mob's hate and was swamped. I wouldn't have known he had gotten trained if the warrior hadn't had stated in the general chat that he got trained by a pally. I turned and was able to help him out by killing the beasts and healing him. It would have been all to easy for him to take a screenshot of my careless training and not provide that I did turn and help him. The second incident stemmed from Roane and I getting attacked by some Undead guards outside Tarren Mill. We defended ourselves and were getting pounded hard when an Undead warrior (31) showed up and attacked me, contributing to my death at the hands of the gaurds. But much later I came across the same undead, again with PvP enabled and attacked him, killing him. I'm sure I would be in the Ganker's category if based on just the part of the story that Ninjalooter.com provides.
I'm not justifying my actions in either case as being right. I could have avoided even an innocent training by killing the tigers as each aggro'd me. My only reason for not doing so is that I was tired and wanting to log off for the night after turning in a quest. I also could have taken the high road and not attacked the warrior in the second incident but c'mon...he asked for it. ;)
I just don't see how Ninjalooter.com could be as useful as the authors stated. The risk of abuse far outweighs any potential use it might have.