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03-23-2004, 07:07 AM

kandrathe,Mar 23 2004, 05:05 PM Wrote:If we are talking about the truth that is proveable truth, then I only know of one realm where that is beyond doubt.  Simple math and simple logic(and then even GÃ¶del might disagree).  I can believe that 3<>4, because that is readily proved.

No, even mathematics is based on assumptions that certain things are true.

Take geometry for example, if you remove the assumption that internal angles sum to 180 degrees you are lead to a number of geometries, one of which is the standard euclidean geometry.

Even 'simple logic' is just a set of rules. These are not 'true' in any sense, but to define something as logical means that these rules must have been followed.

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