The No Win Situation
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I would like to state that at this point, I am Switzerland :unsure:

There is obviously no winning side in this deliciously heated debate, but I do see some tempers flairing.

I apologize if my off colour remarks were taken in the wrong way, I was attempting to lighten the mood with a little humour. I probably took it to far with the Butt Bandit remark. I thought it might get a laugh. My bad. I retract my statement and offer an apology instead.

I never once stated this was an AA bill, infact, if you go back and read, I stated this has nothing to do with the AA umbrella. Or at least, that is what I was trying to imply.

I dunno where to find them, but there are many transcripts, entire novels worth, of discusions in the house about this bill. I had mine snail mailed to me. They shed a great deal more light on the issue then the bill actually does. The bill, according to both it's defenders and it's critics, is poorly worded, lacks substance, and uses many umbrella terms, leaving many parts intentionaly vague and open to personal interpretation. This is indeed dangerous. The man who created this bill and the people who helped push it into existence, did so purely out of malice, not out of any sense of justice. Whether or not they did the right thing is open to debate, but they did it for all the WRONG reasons. I don't think that point can be argued, considering the actual confessions made by several house representitives.

Back to the point.

This is indeed a No Win Situation in the long run. In the long run, I can only see this doing more harm then good. I can see businesses losing customers, businesses taking the fine on the chin, and businesses closing their doors to avoid the issue altogether.

As for the health statistics about homosexuals having a shorter life span, I read something very similar in an AMA journal. That was about, hmm, 3 or 4 years ago. And there is a lot more to it then it seems as first. a VAST part of the homosexual population are, infact, imigrants from other countries who have came here to escape sexual persecution, and do not speak English. This study, the the fatality rates were based on a huge percent of the homosexual population not being able to speak English or Spanish, and not enough was being done to educate folks about STDs in other languages. The death rates were an overall study, with broad stretching numbers that skewed the results a bit. Also in that study, they concluded that many lesbian women were subject to higher cancer rates, due to the lack of pregnancies and having more periods. Elevated levels of estrogen caused higher rates of female cancers. Also noted in this study as an aside is that women who take birth control pills and do not have children till their 40s also suffer much of the same effect, so I don't think it's fair just to label the homosexual community with this. The numbers really were reaching, so I for one do not think it is entirely fair to use this as leverage, but that's just me.

There was however, one study that really did cast a shadow over the gay community, I tried searching for link but could not find one yet, will have to search more or perhaps a search wizard here could find it. Gay men suffered astronomically higher rates of colon cancers, rectal cancers, and cancers in that area due to over stimulation of the prostate and increased, nearly poisonous levels of testosterone. I don't remember much about it, so I am not qualified to go into the details. Testicular cancer was also rampant. Perhaps this is skewed as well due to the homosexual imigrant population not getting regular prostate exams, I do not know. If somebody could find more details on this, I for one would appreciate it :)
All alone, or in twos,
The ones who really love you
Walk up and down outside the wall.
Some hand in hand
And some gathered together in bands.
The bleeding hearts and artists
Make their stand.

And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.

"Isn't this where...."
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The No Win Situation - by Doc - 07-26-2003, 03:24 PM
The No Win Situation - by Feryar - 07-26-2003, 03:41 PM
The No Win Situation - by Rhydderch Hael - 07-26-2003, 04:16 PM
The No Win Situation - by Skandranon - 07-26-2003, 05:44 PM
The No Win Situation - by Guest - 07-26-2003, 05:51 PM
The No Win Situation - by WarLocke - 07-26-2003, 06:22 PM
The No Win Situation - by Nicodemus Phaulkon - 07-26-2003, 06:55 PM
The No Win Situation - by Doc - 07-26-2003, 07:10 PM
The No Win Situation - by yangman - 07-26-2003, 07:17 PM
The No Win Situation - by Jester - 07-26-2003, 07:30 PM
The No Win Situation - by Skandranon - 07-26-2003, 08:31 PM
The No Win Situation - by Rhydderch Hael - 07-26-2003, 09:29 PM
The No Win Situation - by Guest - 07-26-2003, 10:07 PM
The No Win Situation - by Guest - 07-26-2003, 10:18 PM
The No Win Situation - by Nicodemus Phaulkon - 07-26-2003, 11:42 PM
The No Win Situation - by Nystul - 07-26-2003, 11:45 PM
The No Win Situation - by Doc - 07-27-2003, 01:10 AM
The No Win Situation - by Rhydderch Hael - 07-27-2003, 02:48 AM
The No Win Situation - by yangman - 07-27-2003, 04:03 AM
The No Win Situation - by Doc - 07-27-2003, 04:54 AM
The No Win Situation - by Guest - 07-27-2003, 05:56 AM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-27-2003, 10:12 AM
The No Win Situation - by WarBlade - 07-27-2003, 10:19 AM
The No Win Situation - by Archon_Wing - 07-27-2003, 11:13 AM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-27-2003, 12:26 PM
The No Win Situation - by Doc - 07-27-2003, 01:31 PM
The No Win Situation - by keenduck - 07-27-2003, 01:45 PM
The No Win Situation - by Nystul - 07-27-2003, 02:00 PM
The No Win Situation - by Doc - 07-27-2003, 02:05 PM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-27-2003, 02:28 PM
The No Win Situation - by zaffo - 07-27-2003, 03:26 PM
The No Win Situation - by keenduck - 07-27-2003, 04:01 PM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-27-2003, 04:22 PM
The No Win Situation - by yangman - 07-27-2003, 06:17 PM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-27-2003, 07:06 PM
The No Win Situation - by Skandranon - 07-27-2003, 07:27 PM
The No Win Situation - by Rhydderch Hael - 07-27-2003, 07:53 PM
The No Win Situation - by Cybit - 07-27-2003, 07:54 PM
The No Win Situation - by yangman - 07-27-2003, 08:11 PM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-27-2003, 08:53 PM
The No Win Situation - by Doc - 07-27-2003, 09:31 PM
The No Win Situation - by Jester - 07-27-2003, 10:07 PM
The No Win Situation - by Jester - 07-27-2003, 10:12 PM
The No Win Situation - by Feryar - 07-27-2003, 10:16 PM
The No Win Situation - by LemmingofGlory - 07-27-2003, 10:24 PM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-27-2003, 10:53 PM
The No Win Situation - by Archon_Wing - 07-27-2003, 11:06 PM
The No Win Situation - by Jester - 07-28-2003, 05:54 AM
The No Win Situation - by Vandiablo - 07-28-2003, 07:08 AM
The No Win Situation - by BigGrim - 07-28-2003, 08:23 AM
The No Win Situation - by Haider - 07-28-2003, 09:47 AM
The No Win Situation - by Nystul - 07-28-2003, 10:17 AM
The No Win Situation - by Doc - 07-28-2003, 12:56 PM
The No Win Situation - by Occhidiangela - 07-28-2003, 01:29 PM
The No Win Situation - by Occhidiangela - 07-28-2003, 01:34 PM
The No Win Situation - by Occhidiangela - 07-28-2003, 02:40 PM
The No Win Situation - by TaMeOlta - 07-28-2003, 02:51 PM
The No Win Situation - by Occhidiangela - 07-28-2003, 03:01 PM
The No Win Situation - by Tal - 07-29-2003, 12:44 AM
The No Win Situation - by Occhidiangela - 07-29-2003, 12:46 AM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-29-2003, 01:19 AM
The No Win Situation - by Kevin - 07-29-2003, 01:36 AM
The No Win Situation - by Jester - 07-29-2003, 02:02 AM
The No Win Situation - by Tal - 07-29-2003, 02:04 AM
The No Win Situation - by Occhidiangela - 07-29-2003, 02:08 AM
The No Win Situation - by Tal - 07-29-2003, 02:11 AM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-29-2003, 02:11 AM
The No Win Situation - by Jester - 07-29-2003, 02:17 AM
The No Win Situation - by LemmingofGlory - 07-29-2003, 02:27 AM
The No Win Situation - by Occhidiangela - 07-29-2003, 02:29 AM
The No Win Situation - by Archon_Wing - 07-29-2003, 02:34 AM
The No Win Situation - by Kevin - 07-29-2003, 02:35 AM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-29-2003, 02:43 AM
The No Win Situation - by Archon_Wing - 07-29-2003, 02:50 AM
The No Win Situation - by Tiffany_Scott - 07-29-2003, 03:37 AM
The No Win Situation - by Occhidiangela - 07-29-2003, 03:52 AM
The No Win Situation - by Feryar - 07-29-2003, 09:12 AM
The No Win Situation - by TaMeOlta - 07-29-2003, 04:11 PM

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