discrimination of atheists
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(12-18-2012, 08:06 PM)eppie Wrote: The big difference is that the US bill of rights stems from a time in which the US was populated by religious extremists that had fled other countries (European) because they were persecuted because of their religion.
Hardly. The freedom of expression and thought can be directly drawn back to Socrates, and then the Roman Republic. More contemporary in 1644, Milton argued "Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties." Against a Catholic Church which censored his writing Areopagitica. Then, there is the English Bill of Rights of 1689.

Quote:While that was a very logical thing to do in that place and time, it doesn't have much to do with basic and fundamental human rights. As is clear it is in most places, mainly the religious masses that try and take rights away from people that have other ideas than theirs.
Whenever the State sides with religion, and then uses its monopoly on force to repress the masses... You mean. Religions, in their rituals, places of worship, and philosophies have very little effect when not connected to the power of the State.

Quote:Also it stems from a time when women, and people of any other colour than white where considered lesser human beings. So making it illegal for women to wear Burqa's or Niqaabs is in France seen as a correct measure to counter religious extremist men who force their wives to behave in a certain way, while in the US you don't mind so much that e.g. mormons use 1 men/ more women polygamy. You think the right of a religious person goes above that off a woman.

Although I personally think banning women wearing Burqa's will not help a lot, I agree much more with the French system than the US system.
Our rights are human rights, not white rights, or Christian rights, or mens rights. I think a Muslim woman has the right to wear a Burqa or a bikini as she sees fit. No man, or state should control her garb. Her arguments may be with her families views, but that is no concern of mine, or my governments. I also don't think the State should be involved in sanctioning or de-sanctioning our relationships, whether that be Christian marriage, polygamous marriage, or any other legal unions. The State should be concerned with the legality of the contract between adults, not the gender, religion, or whatever else the union involves (as long as it is otherwise legal).
”There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio.

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discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 12-10-2012, 08:25 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 12-10-2012, 02:50 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by LavCat - 12-10-2012, 08:00 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 12-11-2012, 04:19 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by LavCat - 12-11-2012, 07:00 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 12-11-2012, 09:16 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by FireIceTalon - 12-11-2012, 05:03 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Jester - 12-11-2012, 06:38 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 12-14-2012, 12:54 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 12-14-2012, 08:31 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 12-14-2012, 02:07 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Jester - 12-14-2012, 02:59 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 12-15-2012, 04:25 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 12-16-2012, 07:14 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 12-18-2012, 07:26 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 12-18-2012, 08:06 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 12-20-2012, 10:15 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 12-21-2012, 10:37 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 12-21-2012, 04:51 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by FireIceTalon - 12-11-2012, 03:54 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Occhidiangela - 12-16-2012, 12:53 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by FireIceTalon - 12-16-2012, 06:51 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Occhidiangela - 01-10-2013, 02:23 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 01-10-2013, 10:07 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 01-10-2013, 07:24 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by LochnarITB - 01-10-2013, 11:18 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Hammerskjold - 01-11-2013, 12:51 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 01-11-2013, 06:26 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by FireIceTalon - 01-11-2013, 06:26 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Occhidiangela - 01-13-2013, 04:20 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 01-13-2013, 08:30 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 01-14-2013, 10:12 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by FireIceTalon - 01-11-2013, 03:17 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Occhidiangela - 01-13-2013, 01:15 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by FireIceTalon - 01-13-2013, 06:07 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Bun-Bun - 01-09-2013, 10:18 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 01-10-2013, 07:09 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by shoju - 12-11-2012, 07:14 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by FireIceTalon - 12-11-2012, 07:51 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by shoju - 12-21-2012, 09:05 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 01-08-2013, 02:58 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 01-09-2013, 03:22 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 01-14-2013, 12:34 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by kandrathe - 01-14-2013, 05:20 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Occhidiangela - 01-13-2013, 08:22 PM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by Occhidiangela - 01-17-2013, 02:53 AM
RE: discrimination of atheists - by eppie - 01-17-2013, 07:00 AM

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