08-30-2012, 06:05 PM
Real, true, "by the book" communism can't exist in a society that is run by human beings. It requires a more "wholistic" vision than what human beings are born with. From the time that we are born, we are selfish, idealistic creatures.
Part of the problem that I have with what you say fireicetalon, is that you have gone out of your way to say "Well they aren't communist, and they aren't communist, and they aren't communist" When those very people who you are saying "aren't communist" called themselves communist. You are, holding yourself to a higher "level" of the idea of communism than those who have come before you. It's easy to look at the USSR and China, and Cuba and say "Well, they aren't REALLY communist" when you are trying to defend the idea of communism.
You are using idealistic interpretation to disprove that the "communist" countries that have come and gone aren't really communist, then pointing at someone else and saying "No! How dare you bring idealism into this and try to debate me with it!"
The problem comes in, when you fail to realize that these countries used communism as their base, and this is what you ended up with. Human beings are incapable of a society that functions this way. We have thousands of years of historical evidence that points out that we just can't do it.
But this topic has really swerved off, smashed through the guard rail, and rolled down the ditch, and is preparing to catch fire. I think I'm going to crawl back out and up to the road now.
Part of the problem that I have with what you say fireicetalon, is that you have gone out of your way to say "Well they aren't communist, and they aren't communist, and they aren't communist" When those very people who you are saying "aren't communist" called themselves communist. You are, holding yourself to a higher "level" of the idea of communism than those who have come before you. It's easy to look at the USSR and China, and Cuba and say "Well, they aren't REALLY communist" when you are trying to defend the idea of communism.
You are using idealistic interpretation to disprove that the "communist" countries that have come and gone aren't really communist, then pointing at someone else and saying "No! How dare you bring idealism into this and try to debate me with it!"
The problem comes in, when you fail to realize that these countries used communism as their base, and this is what you ended up with. Human beings are incapable of a society that functions this way. We have thousands of years of historical evidence that points out that we just can't do it.
But this topic has really swerved off, smashed through the guard rail, and rolled down the ditch, and is preparing to catch fire. I think I'm going to crawl back out and up to the road now.
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