Norway Killer gets 21-Years

[FireIceTalon]

So the kind of force of a mob, like in Zimbabwe or Somalia, where those who are the "have's" get hacked to death with a machete, and then fed to the hyena's. Then all the "have not's" occupy the land. But since they are poor they have no way to produce nearly the same amount of food as the original land owner. Once someone rises up in "ownership" status enough, the cycle repeats itself. Blessed anarchy.

Those are your words (a sweeping generalization at that), not mine, or the Proletarians in general. A proletarian revolution isn't about revenge, it is about social justice and the elimination of exploitation of man by man and class antagonisms. Should we have a successful revolution, capitalists or those of the old order in general would be more than welcome to be integrated into socialist society. Contrary to popular belief, we aren't vindictive like that (at least most of us aren't). See, unlike you right wingers, we don't care about ideology - just the economic means of production that influence relationships of class antagonist societies, in other words, material conditions. That is why Capitalists view society through an Idealistic lens, and Socialists view it in a Materialist one. Idealism is garbage, and if Socialism was grounded in Idealism, I'd say to hell with Socialism also. Much of the utopian Socialism that was fancied by the arising middle class during the Industrial Revolution was Idealist, and that is when Marx came and denounced utopian Socialism in favor of Scientific Socialism.

Counter-revolutionary movements that are a DIRECT threat to our class interests, or those which are reactionary and seek to crush the revolution with the intent of reverting back to Capitalism, as seen in the Paris Commune of 1871, will be dealt with. If that calls for use of violence, to defend our class interests and protect the revolution, then so be it. No doubt, it will be you reactionaries that will use violence first, and when we retaliate, the reactionaries will cry about it and call us dictators, even though it will be they who use armed resistance and terrorism against us. Hell, the police beat and pepper sprayed Occupy Protestor students, I can only imagine the force they'd try to use against a more radical movement. That being said, a revolution consists of much more than simple "rioting". It involves a variety of actions that will be taken depending on what the material conditions of the time call for. Sometimes it will be meetings. Sometimes it will be setting up workers councils. Sometimes it will be more extreme things, such as general strikes.

Yeah, I went to college and I took the class too. I cannot employ you to rake my yard without exploiting you.

Irrelevant. And even so, what they teach you about Socialism in school (be it good or bad) is not very comprehensive anyways. I've learned much more about Socialism, what it is AND what it isn't, through my own self-research and discourse with other radicals (as well as reactionaries), both in person and online, then I ever did in a classroom.

1. Can we just move to #3 now?

You wish. No, we can't. Like it or not, as long as Capitalism exists, Marxism will be relevant, and there will be resistance to the status-quo. You want Marxists to go away? Then get rid of Capitalism. But upholding a system that will naturally promote class warfare and expecting there to be no resistance, now THAT is utopian thinking.