Norway Killer gets 21-Years

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This incident is a perfect example of why I'm a Communist, because the Capitalist system breeds horrible tragedies such as this one.

Hang on a sec. Are you trying to say that commies don't what.... kill people, or they don't just kill certain groups of people, or what exactly?

LOL. You know, this is actually a really good question. Over at revleft.com (radical leftist site I post at), we had a recent discussion there discussing "what happens to Capitalists if we have a successful revolution?" You can read the thread here: http://www.revleft.com/vb/deal-capitalis...ndex2.html

The fate of the Capitalists and other "reactionaries" would be almost entirely dependent on their actions should we have a successful Proletarian Revolution. The consensus was that if they accepted their loss of power and that they were now just like the rest of us, and that ALL world citizens now controlled the means of production, they would be more than welcome to join in society. In fact, most of us agreed that killing them because they were Capitalists before would only confirm the stereotype that Communists are a bunch of murderers and dictators, and wouldn't reflect well on us even if we were victorious. On the other hand, individuals who were counter-revolutionaries or a threat to the Proletariat would be dealt with, though even that wouldn't necessarily mean killing them. If (and being realistic, more a matter of when) we are directly attacked, then yes, we would probably have to kill those who attacked us, to protect OUR class interests and prevent a reversion back to Capitalism, or something even worse like Fascism. But most of us felt that the average "everyday Capitalist (meaning workers who were Capitalist apologists in Capitalism, rather then the people who were materially Capitalist)" would probably be accepting of Socialism once they saw it actually was beneficial to them, and should thus be integrated into Socialist society like anyone else. The only people who would be really losing anything would be the corporate CEO's, politicians, and such, though most of us agreed that even they shouldn't be punished unless they directly tried to undermine the revolution. Some people felt that the worst of the Capitalists should be punished, though generally by having to live like we did for a while rather then killing them. That being said, the Revolution isn't an act of vengeance and therefore shouldn't be its aim or basis. It is an act of JUSTICE and DEMOCRACY for the overwhelming majority of society, and should therefore be treated as such by the Proletarian.

So, the short answer to your question is that it really depends. But if you notice something, almost all these anti-government, pro nationalist/anti multi cultural, militant groups and individuals belong to some radical right-wing faction. You don't see Communists behaving like this, and for as much as we want revolution, it is because we want to END (or at least greatly reduce) things like the very topic of this thread, among much else. You don't see us going around blowing up abortion clinics, shooting kids because we fear our government is becoming more tolerant of a group of people we dont like, shooting politicians and CEO's (as much as we hate them), and just acting a fool in general. The reason is, we understand the source of the worlds problems (the Capitalist system), and right-wingers simply do NOT (especially not the nationalist, militant types). Afterall, it is much easier to blame minorities, the poor, people of another religion, or anyone who is "different" from the prototype person that reactionaries envision ruling society - than it is to blame the shortcomings of the very system they try to uphold (which ironically, is the cause of many of the problems that reactionaries fear).

Yes, in a revolution, people are going to get hurt, and killed. It sucks. But letting this volatile system continue to exist sucks MUCH more, and it has and will continue to kill, impoverish and destroy the dignity of people far more than the temporary violence of a Socialist revolution.

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Hang on a sec. Are you trying to say that commies don't what.... kill people, or they don't just kill certain groups of people, or what exactly?

It's a common defense of an ideologue. Explain any undesirable behavior of an adherent as being outside the proper definition of the ideology.

Christians don't kill people -- if they do, they aren't "true Christians".
Communists don't kill people -- if they do, they aren't "true Communists".
Jedi Knights don't kill people -- if they do, they aren't "true Jedis".

Replace with whatever your ideology is.

The "no true-Scotsman" argument doesn't apply if the original context of something didn't exist or was contradicted. Good try though.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einsten.