Norway Killer gets 21-Years
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(08-24-2012, 09:46 PM)Mavfin Wrote:
(08-24-2012, 08:57 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote: This incident is a perfect example of why I'm a Communist, because the Capitalist system breeds horrible tragedies such as this one.

Oh, and Stalin didn't kill millions in the name of Communism, however false it may have been? Not to mention all the people who simply disappeared w/o a voice or a trial of any kind. Stupidity and murder are not limited to one ideology, whatever its name may be.

(On this guy in Norway, I do agree with you that 20 years or whatever is a travesty, btw.)

Typical and predictable anti-Communist rhetoric that just parrots the propaganda of the last 60 years or so. But it lacks critical thinking or merit, for the simple fact it isn't correct - as most propaganda in general isnt. You even discredited the context of your own post when you admitted it was "false" Smile

1. SU was never even Socialist, let alone Communist. Well, it may have been Socialist for a very short period of time under Lenin, but certainly not under Stalin. SU under Stalin, if anything, was just another form of Capitalism, except controlled by the State instead of the privatized version we have here. In both cases, the workers do not control the means to production and thus lack self-determination, and in both lead to Fascism or societies with many traits of Fascism.

2. Stalin was a reactionary just like Hitler was, just that the former lacked the racist and eugenics component of the latter. He killed people in the name of his own self-righteousness and insatiable desire for power. It had absolutely nothing to do with Communism, nor Marxism. Some of the biggest opponents to the Stalinist regime, were in fact, Communists. Stalinism ≠ Communism.

3. Communism isn't an ideology. It is a material condition of society and history that has net yet occurred. Nor is it something that people just implement, but is the natural stage of history after Socialism (assuming no counter-revolutions take place and crush the revolution like in the Paris Commune of 1871), which is in itself birthed from the womb of Capitalism's destruction. Marxism, however, is sort of an ideology - although it is more of a system of scientific analysis used to understand and critique the social and economic relationships in class antagonist systems, but primarily Capitalism.

That is your history lesson for the day.
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Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Taem - 08-24-2012, 05:20 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FoxBat - 08-24-2012, 05:47 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by eppie - 08-25-2012, 07:23 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-24-2012, 08:09 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by shoju - 08-24-2012, 08:45 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-24-2012, 08:57 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Archon_Wing - 08-24-2012, 09:43 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Mavfin - 08-24-2012, 09:46 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-24-2012, 10:10 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Ashock - 08-24-2012, 10:36 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by vor_lord - 08-24-2012, 10:52 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-24-2012, 11:05 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Ashock - 08-25-2012, 12:09 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-25-2012, 12:24 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Ashock - 08-25-2012, 12:40 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by kandrathe - 08-25-2012, 12:35 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-25-2012, 12:49 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Ashock - 08-25-2012, 01:02 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-25-2012, 01:25 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by kandrathe - 08-25-2012, 01:39 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-29-2012, 10:03 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by DeeBye - 08-30-2012, 04:09 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by kandrathe - 08-30-2012, 04:19 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Zarathustra - 08-25-2012, 12:05 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-25-2012, 02:06 AM
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RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-30-2012, 09:09 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Jester - 08-30-2012, 10:01 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-30-2012, 03:03 PM
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RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Jester - 08-30-2012, 05:37 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Taem - 08-25-2012, 03:28 AM
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RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by kandrathe - 08-26-2012, 09:03 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by shoju - 08-27-2012, 05:42 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Jester - 08-27-2012, 08:48 PM
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RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Taem - 08-28-2012, 01:09 AM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by shoju - 08-30-2012, 06:05 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by FireIceTalon - 08-30-2012, 08:49 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Jester - 08-30-2012, 09:51 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Tal - 08-30-2012, 06:38 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by kandrathe - 08-30-2012, 08:44 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Archon_Wing - 08-30-2012, 10:58 PM
RE: Norway Killer gets 21-Years - by Taem - 08-30-2012, 11:13 PM
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