10-27-2011, 07:27 AM
(10-27-2011, 06:21 AM)FireIceTalon Wrote: The above speculations aside, I still stand firmly that democracy and communism can go together, and in fact they MUST go together for communism to truly exist and not be undermined. Rosa called Lenin on this, and history proved her correct. It is to be a workers revolution, not one for a single nutjob to use as a shield for his own self interests, or to establish a party that calls the shots and thus undermines the entire point of the revolution. That said, I do believe revolution is the only way for this to take place. There is NO reforming capitalism, it is a cancer, and therefore must be abolished entirely. Yes, this means a violent revolution will take place, but I will quote Machiavelli here and say the ends justifies the means. Afterall, it is hardly worse than the violence, war, greed, exploitation, poverty, shallowness, and other countless terrible things that capitalism PERPETUALLY produces. But again, the vanguard for the workers, is the workers themselves, not some party that uses the revolution as a perfect tool to see its interests carried out, and nothing more.
I am not so sure that communism and democracy can go together.
I used to think so but I very much lost my trust in other human being.
When you have 90% of the population being some sort of moron you can't have a democratic communist state. Just as you can also not have a state as Kandrathe always proposes. Both (the communist one and the libertarian one) need people to align and behave unselfishly.
My main problem with capitalism as we have it now is not that there is inequality but that the division of wealth is unfair.
The guy that breaks down old ships in India or the kid that melt gold and other metals out of batteries and old printboard are working harder than most people here in the west but they will never own even only a fraction of the wealth we have....or the wealth a very normal person in europe has.
And on a more societal level (I have mentioned this before) the idea of capitalism which pushes people to do their best and become as succesul as possible which will bring society as a hole on a higher level to me also is wrong. Most of the jobs with which you can make lots of money (prof. athlete, singer, reality star etc.) are useless for the greater good of society. So capitalism lets talented people waste their talent on crap.
** Bolty, be honest.....does this post makes me extreme left? I don't think so..... to me it seems partly left of center and partly apolitical but more phylosphical.