Newark Execution Murders
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Quote:You can keep that tongue firmly implanted in your cheek if you like, but the TRUTH is more sobering.

Especially when it's in all caps.

Quote:You might try to consider how 20-24 mostly Saudi nationals were able to legally or illegally enter the country and take down the World Trade Center towers.

I was under the impression that the 9/11 hijackers were almost all in the US under student visas, or as tourists. Did even one of them come across the Mexican border? Saudi nationals are not unwelcome in the US now, are they? Is there a planned ban on student and tourist visas? If so, I'd better look into it, seeing as I'm likely to be one, the other, or both within a few years.

There are dozens of ways to enter the US, legally, illegally, and everywhere in between. There is no way consistent with a free society to stop every potential terrorist from entering the US. Linking terrorism closely with the issue of the Mexican border may fit well with the various xenophobic paranoias of the Rush Limbaugh crowd, but it does not represent the actual methods of Al Qaeda or any other terrorist organization. Mexico is only one of a great many ways to get into the US, and as far as I can tell, it's not even the best, were one wanting to terrorize.

Sounds to me like what you need is better intelligence, not more restrictive borders. Picking terrorists out of the tens of millions of people moving in and out of the US by restricting the flow of documents is practically impossible. I suspect the effort would undermine itself, as more sophisticated methods of smuggling people into the US develop in response to the crackdown. (See: War on Drugs.) Al Qaeda (or any other terrorist group) does not care about getting 5 million migrant workers past the border easily; they only need a handful of agents, and will spare no expense to get them there.

Quote:Check out the case of Mahmoud Youssef Kourani as one example.

Hezbollah is not Al Qaeda, but the example of is welcome anyway. Good to know that there is at least one documented case of this ocurring, which is what I asked for.

Quote:See also; Hearing sought on Islamic, Mexican ties

This appears to be the usual paranoia from the Washington Times, mutating the obvious fact that there are Middle-easterners in Mexico (this has been true for 400 years) and that some of them are involved in the drug trade, into a terrorist threat.

The general tendency to ellide middle easterners and muslims with terrorism is rather disturbing. Like here:

Quote: US Border enforcement has arrested between 6 to 25 Middle Eastern nationals trying to cross the southwestern border per month, meaning they are missing a substantial portion in numbers similar to the ratio of non-Islamic illegals getting across our border versus those apprehended.

So all middle easterners are now suspect? The question is how many terrorists have made that crossing. That people of middle eastern descent are just as susceptible to the allure of life in the US as anyone else is hardly surprising, nor is it evidence of widespread terrorist migration.

Quote:Here is Wikipedia article on one of the FBI's person of interest list Adnan Gulshair el Shukrijumah who lived in the US for fifteen years and who's mother still lives in Florida.

I can't find any evidence that this man's entry in to the US was illegal. Was it?

Quote:The web site of Suad Leija author of Paper Weapons.

I'm somewhat confused by this. If your point is that there is a flourishing trade in illegal documents controlled by criminals, this much is fairly obvious. Restrict any commodity, and a black market appears. Aside from hypotheticals, is there an Al Qaeda connection there? I didn't dig through the entire site, perhaps some help?

-Jester
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Newark Execution Murders - by kandrathe - 08-23-2007, 12:34 AM
Newark Execution Murders - by Jester - 08-23-2007, 01:35 AM
Newark Execution Murders - by Thecla - 08-23-2007, 01:39 AM
Newark Execution Murders - by Taem - 08-23-2007, 04:05 AM
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Newark Execution Murders - by kandrathe - 08-24-2007, 12:47 AM
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