Quote:John McClain, a pastor and a police chaplain, compares the grisly murders to terrorism.

"The government of the United States is fighting terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan. But we have terrorists right here. Every week someone is shot and killed. What happened Saturday night, if that wasn't a terrorist act, you have to tell me what was," McClain said

Quote:The MS-13 gang, aka Mara Salvatrucha 13, is one of the most violently dangerous gangs in the United States - and one of the most organized. The MS-13 gang has cliques, or factions, located throughout the United States and is unique in that it retains is ties to its El Salvador counterparts. With cliques in Washington DC, Oregon, Alaska, Arkansas, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Florida, Canada, El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, and several other South American countries, the MS-13 gang is truly "international" and on the verge of becoming the first gang to be categorized as an "organized crime" entity.

Al Qaeda Ties?
The Washington Times reported on September 28, 2004, that the notorious MS-13 gang had held meeting with the terrorist group, Al Qaeda. The meetings were rumored to concern methods of smuggling humans into the United States across Mexican borders. Police indicated that Al Qaeda had sought a partnership with MS-13.

Quote:Here are a few connections I think worthy of contemplating here in the Lounge.

Quote:I also hear that 9/11 was planned by the CIA.

Quote:Are you poking fun at Kandrathe's MS13 thread, or are you proposing a serious plausibility? If you are serious, please provide some links, because I've never heard anything even remotely factual about the CIA having any part of planning 9/11.

Quote:I also hear that 9/11 was planned by the CIA.

Quote:I'm certain Thecla's tongue is planted firmly in cheek, MEAT.

Quote:Absolutely. The stock number of the planning document is 7510L4505459. They've done a pretty good job of keeping it off the Internet, but you can still see a reference to the title of the document if you Google the stock number. But you didn't hear it from me.

-not V, really, just an impostor, honest

Quote:You didn't know? The CIA, NSA, ARMY, NAVY, US Coast Guard, SPCA, EPA and US Parks and Forestry were all involved. It was all orchestrated by George Bush himself. Its 100% factually proved by a video online by some dolts who present 'the true facts' of 9/11. :wacko:

I'd laugh except the number of people who actually believe that are surprisingly high. I know firsthand a few incredibly bright individuals who believe it was all a conspiracy. Ugh.

I'm certain Thecla's tongue is planted firmly in cheek, MEAT.

In regards to both events (the Newark Execution and 9/11), there's something about human nature which strives to rationalize seemingly irrational events. In the case of the Newark shootings, after reading the articles I still find it a big stretch to try to connect this back to Al Qaeda. Then again, these days who isn't said to be linked to Al Qaeda? :mellow:

Cheers,

Munk

Quote:I find it more interesting to speculate on events before they happen, rather than to moan about how stupid we are after the fact. So, if MS13 is in bed with Islamic fundamentalists, then you heard it here first. Of course, it would be hard to prove without some good evidence, like the recent arrest of Fakrhul Islam, and alleged MS-13 member Frankie Sanchez-Solorzano in Boston.

National Terror Alert Response Center

Quote:Sorry, are you claiming that the arrest of Fakruhl Islam and of Frankie Sanchez-Solorzano constitutes good evidence that MS-13 has made an alliance with Al Qaeda to sneak terrorists into the United States?

That was somewhat unclear.

Seems like extremely vague, circumstantial evidence to me. What connection does Fakruhl Islam have to Al Qaeda? He is invariably described as a "Bangladeshi Muslim," a disinction shared with a 100 million other people, give or take. And is there any necessary connection to MS-13 except for Frankie Sanchez-Solorzano, apprehended with him? Who were the other 11? Why were they together? Sounds more like coincidence than conspiracy.

The whole case for the connection between MS-13 and Al Qaeda seems, at every point, seems to be based on coincidence, speculation and connect-the-dots, Oliver Stone style.

-Jester

Quote:Here is another connection...

Quote:Are you poking fun at Kandrathe's MS13 thread, or are you proposing a serious plausibility?

Quote:The Washington Times reported on September 28, 2004, that the notorious MS-13 gang had held meeting with the terrorist group, Al Qaeda. The meetings were rumored to concern methods of smuggling humans into the United States across Mexican borders. Police indicated that Al Qaeda had sought a partnership with MS-13.

Quote:Well the solution for this is obviously very simple. Just give GE the contract to build 100,000 explosive detection ports, and let everybody take of their shoes when they want to cross the border. You Americans have the solution there right under your nose.
ps I almost forgot, also ask those Mexicans if they packed their own bags.

Quote:It isn't because they are Mexicans, numb nuts, it is because they are a ruthless, well organized drug cartel. Not a street gang, but a cold hearted bunch of folks much like La Cosa Nostra. Were I Al Qaeda, I'd watch my back working with these guys, as they are a "take no prisoners" bunch.

Quote:Ya know, living where I do, in South Texas, I can't help but hold in immense contempt your decision to trivialize the damage that MS-13 does in the border regions of my state, and elsewhere in both my country and in Mexico.

It isn't because they are Mexicans, numb nuts, it is because they are a ruthless, well organized drug cartel. Not a street gang, but a cold hearted bunch of folks much like La Cosa Nostra. Were I Al Qaeda, I'd watch my back working with these guys, as they are a "take no prisoners" bunch.

Those people don't screw around, unlike certain jackanapes from the Netherlands I could name.

DR

Quote:Ya know, living where I do, in South Texas, I can't help but hold in immense contempt your decision to trivialize the damage that MS-13 does in the border regions of my state, and elsewhere in both my country and in Mexico.

It isn't because they are Mexicans, numb nuts, it is because they are a ruthless, well organized drug cartel. Not a street gang, but a cold hearted bunch of folks much like La Cosa Nostra. Were I Al Qaeda, I'd watch my back working with these guys, as they are a "take no prisoners" bunch.

Those people don't screw around, unlike certain jackanapes from the Netherlands I could name.

DR

Quote:Ya know, living where I do, in South Texas, I can't help but hold in immense contempt your decision to trivialize the damage that MS-13 does in the border regions of my state, and elsewhere in both my country and in Mexico.

It isn't because they are Mexicans, numb nuts, it is because they are a ruthless, well organized drug cartel. Not a street gang, but a cold hearted bunch of folks much like La Cosa Nostra. Were I Al Qaeda, I'd watch my back working with these guys, as they are a "take no prisoners" bunch.

Those people don't screw around, unlike certain jackanapes from the Netherlands I could name.

DR

Quote:O I agree with you. We in the Netherlands also have the nasty habit of trying to arrange business in and for other countries (Iraq, Afghanistan) while at home things are not going to good. Of course we don't have gangs like this, but if we continue our politics (internal and external) it will be a matter of a few years.

But it is good to see that you got my point.